While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back

[TheLizardKing]

Plus, you have to contend with the complaining afterwards, about how every aspect of every players orders were not follow through to a perfect T. 'WHY DIDNT MY INVASION WORK? WHAT WAS WRONG WITH MY RAILROADS?'. PM after PM of anger and questions follow the update. I don't mind the questions though.

EDIT: I meant, a player smashing them Imago.

 

[Imago]

How many player complaints do you get? I have this image of you logging on and seeing a hundred new PMs, all about various minutia.

EDIT: I meant, a player smashing them Imago.

For me, I see it from the player's side. The NPC doesn't care if it wins. The player does. That doesn't mean my NPCs are pushovers (see India in my current NES), but it does mean I'm generally happy for players when they succeed.

 

[Starlife]

Imago: But having them work for it will eventually make it all the sweeter for them.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Usually, criticism is good as long as it's constructive. andis-1's complaints during the Great Nurmaferi War had a big long-term impact at how I approached combat, changing it for (I think) the better.

For those who don't know, previously (and some would say presently) I had a very strong tendency to make casualties equal on both sides, when in reality you would normally find a variety of different casualty ratios depending on the battlefield, units involved, and tactics used.

 

[Imago]

I do make them work for it. At least, I think I do. I just don't really root against my players.

 

[TheLizardKing]

Well, in legit annoying complaints, I'd say I get 3-4 an update. I do make a difference between complaints, and criticisms mind you. I don't mind the latter. They help.

 

[Imago]

For those who don't know, previously (and some would say presently) I had a very strong tendency to make casualties equal on both sides, when in reality you would normally find a variety of different casualty ratios depending on the battlefield, units involved, and tactics used.

Ooh, casualty ratios. That’s an interesting topic. The first real war I had in INES I involved Luckymoose playing as Assyria, and I had the idea that because he was gaining territory, to compensate, he would lose more troops than NPC Persia. His general complaint – “I am winning, so why am I losing?” – led me to the idea that the losses on the defeated side should vary based on how much they were overwhelmed, and the casualties of the victor would be based on a fixed rate with a limited amount of modifiers. There are plenty of weaknesses to this approach (for one, it doesn’t model Napoleon and Russia very well), so I’m very curious what other mods do.

Well, in legit annoying complaints, I'd say I get 3-4 an update. I do make a difference between complaints, and criticisms mind you. I don't mind the latter. They help.

So where do you think the line is drawn? Or rather, (and this is to everyone) what is the most interesting player complaint/criticism you’ve seen?

 

[Terrance888]

“I am winning, so why am I losing?”

Seriously Luckymoose? Have you heard of Rednecks? I don't think they go in the military stats but they can still do some damage. La Resistance. (Wait... what era is INES?)

 

[Imago]

I'm not sure those were his exact words.

That INES started in 1 AD.

 

[TheLizardKing]

Players who complain about not being talked about in the update enough, that has always made me go 'what'?

Also, in SMW, a semi-realistic (at least in terms of science and the like) NES, I've had players make ridiculous UU designs, and be shocked when I turned them down. A stratobomber a mile or so wide, and Star Wars style walker are notable things I remember. I'm all for creativity, but when it's 1919, and technology is roughly the same as OT I can't see either one of those just appearing.

 

[Luckymoose]

If all of my time in INES I is summed up by that quotation I feel bad.

 

[Adrogans]

I personally find myself losing interest lately due more from the players than the mods. Most mods hear me out and tend to respond decently. I tend to like more serious Nesing and players lately have been more of the how crazy can I make nation x? Note this problem does not apply to character driven nesing so long as there is decent reason for the crazy.

I'm not worried because I figure people will go away from this and back towards more serious nesing soon enough.

 

[TheLizardKing]

I was looking back at my first real modding attempt in SMW, and I'm wondering how the hell I managed updates like that. For example. Was I high?

 

[Imago]

If all of my time in INES I is summed up by that quotation I feel bad.

Well, it was a legitimate criticism! The most epic thing you did in that game was holding off Byzantium and Persia at the same time (and they were both PCs, IIRC). I even still have the map--

Spoiler :

EDIT: That is one loong update.

 

[Shadowbound]

The Apella has chosen Lhepsc Alhxo Lashe as Sole Exilarch, filling all the high stellar offices simultaneously, giving him the authority to assemble all the fleets of the First Sphere and repel the unprovoked invasion. The Exilarchy will repel this new alien threat with all the power and strength at our disposal, and drive them back to their homeworlds.

 

[Imago]

I tend to like more serious Nesing and players lately have been more of the how crazy can I make nation x?

Which bothers you the most: technological policies, social policies, or inconsistent diplomacy?

 

[Starlife]

Was I high?

Thus proving again that all NES mods are drug peddlers!

- or doing tricks at the corner of Free and Time.

 

[Anonymoose]

I love how I go work a day away and come back to a few pages of hilarity in WWW. I love you guys. Even NWAG v. 8.0.3.14, a fountain of humor, truly. But to maintain the INTEGRITY of WWW, maybe we need a thread for venting so we can talk about NES related stuff here. Now I realize that the conversation's shifted from NWAG18's whining to Imago stuff, but come on now. A baww thread wouldn't be so bad, right?

 

[Imago]

An on-topic off-topic thread? I think that's a great idea!

EDIT: Although a certain thread by das has served a similar purpose for a very long time.

 

[Anonymoose]

Well I didn't want to phrase it that way, considering most of the traffic of CFC is in OT. But if we bring our NESer whine to the OT crowd, they won't understand us. They already think we're weird enough.