While We Wait: Part 4

[Terrance888]

I can no longer see whose visiting this forum. Anybody else having the same experience?

Yuppity yup!

 

[Perfectionist]

I can no longer see whose visiting this forum. Anybody else having the same experience?

It's a result of yesterday's server problem.

Because the temporary server we are on is not as powerful, I have disabled not essential features like Who's Online and Today's Birthdays for now.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

@alex- Watch out for the big scary Tibetans! Their tremendous power will bring the poor PRC to its knees!

Why not just send everyone back to Africa and establish a single sovereign state for everyone to live in? Much more practical, you see.

Sounds good. But what about the poor Neanderthals, Australopithicenes, et al? We took their lands away, it is our responsibility to return the lands and move to the high atmosphere!

 

[The Strategos]

I see we've officially moved to a subforum under "All other games."

Edit: And I just noticed we got moved again, if this keeps on I'll never be able to find where I parked my car.

 

[JosefStalinator]

Ah, yeah, same since we moved. And we only have one moderator now. Interesting.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I see we've officially moved to a subforum under "All other games."

Edit: And I just noticed we got moved again, if this keeps on I'll never be able to find where I parked my car.

That is an awesome placement! Thanks TF.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

Ah, yeah, same since we moved. And we only have one moderator now. Interesting.

And it's a moderator who hasn't been on in two and a half days. Guess we don't need to worry about strict enforcement of the rules...

 

[Azale]

I never thought this day would come!

Are those tears of sadness or joy? Could it be both? I am conflicted.

ONWARD FOR NESDOM!

 

[JosefStalinator]

I never thought this day would come!

Are those tears of sadness or joy? Could it be both? I am conflicted.

ONWARD FOR NESDOM!

Indeed, NEuS Vult!

 

[Head Serf]

Hmmm... this should be interesting.

 

[Yui108]

quick question for everybody. Are people more interested in a
(NOT for a NES)


476 A.D. Scenario: Rome has fallen but their is a small segment loyal to West Rome in Illyria. To Odaocer Kingdoms and Vandals: Consolidate your Kingdom, West Rome: Stay Alive, East Rome Conquer, everyone else KILLY Killy!

500 A.D. : The one I like the most. West Rome is done, but the Byzantine Star is rising. Barbarians, your time is running out. Settle or die!

650 A.D.: The onset of the Middle Ages.

 

[Luckymoose]

Well we finally moved I see.

 

[sp1023]

Whoo Hoo! Our own sub forum!

 

[Supermath]

Great. Now my muscle memory is all out of whack.

But seriously, I'm GLaD.

 

[Symphony D.]

I would have preferred we'd kept the same moderation team, but I can understand why it was changed. Generally, so far things have gone pretty well. So much for doom and gloom.

 

[Terrance888]

5000 A.D. As long as a skilled person doesn't get byzantine unless there is a counter. (Clovis finished the Frankish Empire at this time.

 

[alex994]

I don't know where you guys are getting this nonsense about Tibet being a majority Han Chinese; yes, the Chinese are attempting to overwhelm the Tibetans and manipulate the demographics so they can hold onto Tibet forever, but the Tibet autonomous region is still 92% Tibetan according to Wikipedia...

Wikipedia of all soruces... But think about it this way, if Tibet is still 92% Tibetan, then why are there so many exiled Tibetan groups, the Dalai Lama and others complaining about how Tibet is being overrun by Chinese? Also, keep in mind that the neighboring Chinese provinces have massive populations (Sichuan alone has over 100 million) and compared to the sparsely populated Tibet (what? a few million?), would it make sense for all those Sichuanese to just stay in their lands?

 

[JosefStalinator]

Wikipedia of all soruces... But think about it this way, if Tibet is still 92% Tibetan, then why are there so many exiled Tibetan groups, the Dalai Lama and others complaining about how Tibet is being overrun by Chinese? Also, keep in mind that the neighboring Chinese provinces have massive populations (Sichuan alone has over 100 million) and compared to the sparsely populated Tibet (what? a few million?), would it make sense for all those Sichuanese to just stay in their lands?

Good work putting words in my mouth, I never advocated a Tibetan state encompassing anything outside the TAR (or even within the TAR for that matter), but I would agree some of the areas outside the TAR are a trickier matter.

Maybe they're complaining because it is? . Cultural genocide is a slow process, and the Chinese are still wary of the one thing that keeps them from outright throwing all the Tibetan into camps; the rest of the world watching them. They'd prefer to subtley and slowly overrun the Tibetan regions until they can scoff at any concept of independence as silly given the new demographic realities. Also, they are concentrated mostly in the cities, where they are considerably more visible, much like the minorities in the US, giving an exxagerated sense of their numbers.

And there are other methods of eroding culture, among them brutal methods of torture and oppression as well as completely removing religious and political freedoms under the justification of a flawed and antiquated ideology (communism) or blatant attempts at military expansion.

Oh and Alex, seeing you defend the PRC's government you seem to adore seems somewhat silly, considering you and your family now live in the United States . I'm sure you've heard it a thousand times, but try not to take so much for granted the freedoms you've got here .

And FYI, I hope the olympics are ruined by Tianamen square protests and Tibetan unrest .

 

[alex994]

Oh please Joseph, I don't adore the PRC, it has its faults like every other government if not massively more. What really riles me is the way she is viciously attacked by almost everyone, being "ganged up upon" with no consideration at all for the Han view. Tibetans in Lhasa riot and start going after Han and Hui people in the city and some people see that as "Oh, China should let Tibet go, they're completely in the wrong. How could they treat the Tibetans in such a violent manner using riot police and etc?" Tibetans this, Tibetans that, who cares? If they launch a riot, they'll get put down like one. The PRC has shown great restraint and that seems to be something most people simply find unable to understand.

It is against China's policy and self-interest to utterly destroy Tibetan culture. At the moment, there isn't much to be gained from Tibet economically (long term there are all those minerals but...) except tourism. Yep, tourism to see Tibetan culture, their monasteries, their temples, their native dress, the whole package. As such, it can be expected that while Tibet will surely become "Han-nified," they can rest assured that their culture will remain intact if only for tourism purposes

And Political freedom means nothing if you don't have a roof over your head and three square meals a day. We shouldn't take it for granted that the vast majority of people in China want political rights, most of them would care less as they try to improve their standard of living by making more money. In their opinion, political freedom is not a right, but a luxury of the developed world.

EDIT: I mean, has it occurred to you that China has no desire to completely eradicate the Tibetan culture nor people? In the long run, what are 6 puny million people in the great sea that is China? The ethnic minorities don't get all those sweet benefits for nothing you know.

If the Olympics are ruined by Tiananmen Square Protests and Tibetan unrest, I'm sure the people responsible for such a catastrophe will pay dearly, very dearly. This is China's greatest moment in the last 200 years of misery, the people in China know that, and if it's ruined because of something like Democratic or Tibetan Protests, you can be sure the popular reaction will be terrible to behold. You think the riots in Lhasa were anything? God grant mercy to whoever will pay the price of a ruined Beijing Olympics because neither the PRC nor the vast majority of people in China will.

A successful Olympics will only encourage Beijing to slowly open up, instead of a swift and vicious crackdown.

 

[North King]

And Political freedom means nothing if you don't have a roof over your head and three square meals a day. We shouldn't take it for granted that the vast majority of people in China want political rights, most of them would care less as they try to improve their standard of living by making more money. In their opinion, political freedom is not a right, but a luxury of the developed world.

Certainly. Of course, the thing is, the easiest way to get three square meals is through a well-mixed economy with a decent amount of economic freedom and plenty of foreign investment. It also just so happens that this is easiest to attain with a democratic government.

Just sayin'.