While We Wait: The Next Generation

[BananaLee]

I've got a bigger penguin now. Awesome!

 

[Angst]

I just saw it. I considered changing my avatar to a bigger version and renaming my title "Look how big I am!", but then I realized that I adore "Mamluk Feminist" too much, and my own avatar was too awesome.

Just realized I like to praise myself as well. I don't think that's a good thing.

 

[Ninja Dude]

So, am I the only one expecting demons to show up in The D.O.O.M. Project NES?

 

[North King]

I accuse you, Sir, of being deliberately unhelpful. The thread has just been given a chance to move forward in reformed and legitimate mode. We've all been made painfully aware of the forum rules recently, whether we like it or not, and the moderator's stance is clear. I think we can trust people to either respect the new order (really, the end of unusual toleration) and/or find alternate expression in OT or the new off-site location(s).

And I accuse you of accusing unfairly. I am not being "deliberately unhelpful", I am noting that NESing is kinda crappy at the moment and all talk is focusing on this thread.

WWW was originally created to keep the actual NES threads from being clogged. We all remember the epic flame/spam wars of the past.

It still never really works. There's a lot of flaming that still goes on.

 

[Birdjaguar]

And I accuse you of accusing unfairly. I am not being "deliberately unhelpful", I am noting that NESing is kinda crappy at the moment and all talk is focusing on this thread.



It still never really works. There's a lot of flaming that still goes on.

Nk is correct and things here have been "kinda crappy" lately. The thread is back to be used appropriatetly and shouldn't be the focus as NK said. Rejoice quietly and let's get back to the games.

 

[Masada]

Simple answer: If you don't like it don't read it. For some of us its our only point of contact with the wider NESing world. If as you assert NK 'Most people just talk in this thread, as though we were a second OT, instead of actually NESing' shouldn't the frequency and quality of your updates increased you know with the great ol' distracter of WWW gone? The fact that NESing is 'crappy' might be related to other things rather than the much maligned WWW demon perhaps that can our first meaty discussion point. Maybe just maybe Symphony D. was hitting just the right notes a few months ahead of you...?

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There is one other solution, if you don't like WWW or the spam or the flame-wars you don't have to look at it or even read it ideally (taking into account the moderator situation).

 

[Oruc]

Regarding ABNW 2, what is up with Denmark's sudden switch of standards? It's only been fourty years since the intense anti-Swedish standard in Denmark, and the huge national decline that made Denmark oriented against Scandinavia didn't happen in ABNW - instead, Denmark grew.

Different player, different direction. I thought it would be obvious

 

[Angst]

Different player, different direction. I thought it would be obvious

Still unrealistic. The following argumental format might be a bit innovative for your liking, since different points don't usually refer to each other.

a) In fourty years, a new, pro-Swedish state might begin reducing the hate between the two nations. I might agree with that. But:

b) The general Dane still doesn't appreciate it. Of course, EQ can just say 'yes he does', but there's a reason why Denmark IRL began promoting the Scandinavism throughout.. well, Denmark. The reason is:

c) The Danish national spirit became demolished after the Napoleonic wars. Denmark fought on France's side (technically), and lost Norway to Sweden. During the upcoming fifty years, Danish artists attempted to regenerate the general spirit of the Danish people by creating art, refinding old heritage of art, writing stories, et cetera. The Danish Golden Age required a loss of that size to happen. Additionally, the war with Prussia was also quite important, as we lost the remaining petty pride within our very souls.

d) ABNW Denmark is extremely different from OTL Denmark at this point. The whole neutrality policy that Denmark followed due to her loss of two thirds of national provinces happened because that Denmark didn't want to lose more territory. In ABNW, Denmark mantained that policy for some time but grew to a surprising size in between. Perhaps not an extremely big size, but they did grow significantly. Denmark was threwn into international policies after the whole incident in Spain, and sided with their previous allies - or at least the ones they could trust after the Napoleonic Wars - France. Sweden was still hated as well. I have been cooperating with France like she was my actual bride since, and even though my people was hesitant initally, eventually I didn't get any dissent modifiers, the aristocracy was taught French as well as Danish, and generally the people was brought somewhat together.

e) Scandinavism didn't happen in this timeline. It didn't. It became a factor in Danish culture because that Denmark had to find some kind of identity during the national cultural regeneration. Denmark looked at its roots, and noted itself by the Viking Age, which was the 'last true power' Denmark had (Which was wrong btw but that's another discussion). Denmark simply said: "Hey, let's be friends with them again, we were friends once", and promoted it through the Romanticism.

f) The Danish Golden Age didn't happen in ABNW either (I'm talking about the cultural one ofc). Sure, Hans Christian Andersen might have been born, but EQ didn't mention any of it. Why did this not happen? Well, the reason is stated above - Denmark grew, it didn't shrink in size. Instead, the Danish Empire became at least one of the great powers in the world. The Danish Empire was important, they didn't need to seek inwards for comfort. Therefore, Scandinavism didn't happen, no comfort needed. Sweden was still the old bastard that took control of Scania, Norway and Gotland. Sweden was the archenemy.

And fourty years later, every single person in the Danish farmsteads, cities, armies, state and colonies loved Sweden and hated France, and I do not see a backstory providing believable content about whatever events happening that made Scandinavians the buddies they are OTL.

 

[Oruc]

Still unrealistic. The following argumental format might be a bit innovative for your liking, since different points don't usually refer to each other.

a) In fourty years, a new, pro-Swedish state might begin reducing the hate between the two nations. I might agree with that. But:

b) The general Dane still doesn't appreciate it. Of course, EQ can just say 'yes he does', but there's a reason why Denmark IRL began promoting the Scandinavism throughout.. well, Denmark. The reason is:

c) The Danish national spirit became demolished after the Napoleonic wars. Denmark fought on France's side (technically), and lost Norway to Sweden. During the upcoming fifty years, Danish artists attempted to regenerate the general spirit of the Danish people by creating art, refinding old heritage of art, writing stories, et cetera. The Danish Golden Age required a loss of that size to happen. Additionally, the war with Prussia was also quite important, as we lost the remaining petty pride within our very souls.

d) ABNW Denmark is extremely different from OTL Denmark at this point. The whole neutrality policy that Denmark followed due to her loss of two thirds of national provinces happened because that Denmark didn't want to lose more territory. In ABNW, Denmark mantained that policy for some time but grew to a surprising size in between. Perhaps not an extremely big size, but they did grow significantly. Denmark was threwn into international policies after the whole incident in Spain, and sided with their previous allies - or at least the ones they could trust after the Napoleonic Wars - France. Sweden was still hated as well. I have been cooperating with France like she was my actual bride since, and even though my people was hesitant initally, eventually I didn't get any dissent modifiers, the aristocracy was taught French as well as Danish, and generally the people was brought somewhat together.

e) Scandinavism didn't happen in this timeline. It didn't. It became a factor in Danish culture because that Denmark had to find some kind of identity during the national cultural regeneration. Denmark looked at its roots, and noted itself by the Viking Age, which was the 'last true power' Denmark had (Which was wrong btw but that's another discussion). Denmark simply said: "Hey, let's be friends with them again, we were friends once", and promoted it through the Romanticism.

f) The Danish Golden Age didn't happen in ABNW either (I'm talking about the cultural one ofc). Sure, Hans Christian Andersen might have been born, but EQ didn't mention any of it. Why did this not happen? Well, the reason is stated above - Denmark grew, it didn't shrink in size. Instead, the Danish Empire became at least one of the great powers in the world. The Danish Empire was important, they didn't need to seek inwards for comfort. Therefore, Scandinavism didn't happen, no comfort needed. Sweden was still the old bastard that took control of Scania, Norway and Gotland. Sweden was the archenemy.

And fourty years later, every single person in the Danish farmsteads, cities, armies, state and colonies loved Sweden and hated France, and I do not see a backstory providing believable content about whatever events happening that made Scandinavians the buddies they are OTL.

And now all the hatred will be erased because someone new is incharge, I don't see why you questioning this . You should have taken Denmark if you wanted it to follow the same path as before.
You obviously overestimated how much they hated they the Swedish

 

[Angst]

And now all the hatred will be erased because someone new is incharge, I don't see why you questioning this . You should have taken Denmark if you wanted it to follow the same path as before.
You obviously overestimated how much they hated they the Swedish

No, one new guy in charge doesn't change the way a nation looks at another one, I was away from CFC during that period, and it didn't matter whether I took Denmark with the same path as before - it's unrealistic, Milarqi isn't God of his region. He is merely the ruler.

Uh, and I don't see you counterarguing my points, so no I didn't.

 

[Oruc]

No, one new guy in charge doesn't change the way a nation looks at another one, I was away from CFC during that period, and it didn't matter whether I took Denmark with the same path as before - it's unrealistic, Milarqi isn't God of his region. He is merely the ruler.

Uh, and I don't see you counterarguing my points, so no I didn't.

Was I supposed too?

b) The general Dane still doesn't appreciate it. Of course, EQ can just say 'yes he does', but there's a reason why Denmark IRL began promoting the Scandinavism throughout.. well, Denmark. The reason is:

If Milarqi isnt God then why are you. How can you know what the general Dane thinks.

Don't complain about it being unrealistic, If you wanted realism you wouldn't be nesing in the first place.

You should have told EQ to permanently NPC Denmark incase you away when he opened the nes, that way it would still be friends with France and hate Sweden for eternity

 

[Angst]

Was I supposed too?

Well, if wanting to convince me, yes.

If Milarqi isnt God then why are you. How can you know what the general Dane thinks.

You didn't even bother reading or answering to the remaining post? I have posted a number of reasons why the general Dane isn't friends with Sweden like he is OTL.

Don't complain about it being unrealistic, If you wanted realism you wouldn't be nesing in the first place.

You should have told EQ to permanently NPC Denmark incase you away when he opened the nes, that way it would still be friends with France and hate Sweden for eternity

You don't get society, do you?

I don't care about playing Denmark, really. I care about the NES, and about reading my legacy. I care about how my nation was treated after I left it.

 

[Oruc]

Well, if wanting to convince me, yes.

Doesnt matter to me whether you know you're wrong

You didn't even bother reading or answering to the remaining post? I have posted a number of reasons why the general Dane isn't friends with Sweden like he is OTL.

I read it, I just don't buy it that they hate each other.

You don't get society, do you?

What are you getting at?

I don't care about playing Denmark, really. I care about the NES, and about reading my legacy. I care about how my nation was treated after I left it.

Then stop complaining about it

 

[Birdjaguar]

Simple answer: If you don't like it don't read it. For some of us its our only point of contact with the wider NESing world. If as you assert NK 'Most people just talk in this thread, as though we were a second OT, instead of actually NESing' shouldn't the frequency and quality of your updates increased you know with the great ol' distracter of WWW gone? The fact that NESing is 'crappy' might be related to other things rather than the much maligned WWW demon perhaps that can our first meaty discussion point. Maybe just maybe Symphony D. was hitting just the right notes a few months ahead of you...?

*

There is one other solution, if you don't like WWW or the spam or the flame-wars you don't have to look at it or even read it ideally (taking into account the moderator situation).

If the flames, trolls and spam go, then this thread won't be a distraction, but a useful meeting place.

Mostly, it is a question of being civil to one another and not filling the thread with what we all know is crap.

 

[Angst]

Doesnt matter to me whether you know you're wrong

Then don't reply to my post, and don't do that tone btw.

I read it, I just don't buy it that they hate each other.

Then you're still not convincing me, remain unenlightened about Swedish-Danish relations during the 19th century and before, and appear quite indecisive about your points.

What are you getting at?

You know why people NES, or how national relations work?

Then stop complaining about it

Again, it's my legacy. It's a forum, I can discuss whatever I want if I rely on actual arguments.

 

[Oruc]

Then don't reply to my post, and don't do that tone btw.

What tone? I used a smily in my post

Then you're still not convincing me, remain unenlightened about Swedish-Danish relations during the 19th century and before, and appear quite indecisive about your points.

You haven't convince me either , what is your point that he has to act in a certain or be kicked out the nes?
Its not like he's Nazi Germany in a WW2 nes and decided to make friends with the USSR and create a jewish state in Bavaria.
He's the player you're not, butt out.

You know why people NES, or how national relations work?

people nes to have fun? I don't see how railroading him will help that, maybe it'll make you feel better? Not sure why EQ should care what you think though you're not in the nes.

Again, it's my legacy. It's a forum, I can discuss whatever I want if I rely on actual arguments.

You're trying to influence EQ because you're petty

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderator Action: When you get personal things tend to go badly.
don't go there.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[carmen510]

Shameless plug, please comment on my NES Preview for a Non-Earth Fresh Start: CarmenNES04 Development

Also, I have no idea what you just said BJ.

 

[Kentharu]

The TL's are different LJ, simple. Further, the danes have someone better to hate, someone that everyone hates.

France.

 

[Oruc]

respond to the PM carmen