While we wait...

[LittleBoots]

tttenchar

 

[The Farow]

Meh, life's not fair. I agree with alex on both points:

A) Write all the stories you like.
B) The only way I see Sweeden surviving this is if Prussia collapses under its own weight.

Prussia will not collapse. I have worked too hard for 15 updates and they will not collapse because some little Sweeden decided to sack my capital Sweeden my capital is a litte over 15 centuries old! You destroyed a huge piece of history. Now I will have to make Sweeden history....

I am confident of victory but I will not make the same mistakes some other amphibous invasions have had *Cough*Eire*Cough* .

 

[Birdjaguar]

BirdNES 3 Exploration map turn 6:

 

[Neverwonagame3]

The reason i attacked Prussia was that from a pragmatic perspective it was my best hope of becoming a major player quickly. To be honest i didn't notice that Prussia's culture was "None" but when reading the thread earlier noticed something about a West Prussia starting to emerge.

Determination is not enough to win a war, Farow. But i thought i might check with you- you mind if i try and even the scales a bit by weight of story bonuses?

 

[LittleBoots]

I am confident of victory but I will not make the same mistakes some other amphibous invasions have had *Cough*Eire*Cough* .

Hey, we've learned from those mistakes. Maybe we should try out what we've learned on you?

 

[The Farow]

The reason i attacked Prussia was that from a pragmatic perspective it was my best hope of becoming a major player quickly. To be honest i didn't notice that Prussia's culture was "None" but when reading the thread earlier noticed something about a West Prussia starting to emerge.

Determination is not enough to win a war, Farow. But i thought i might check with you- you mind if i try and even the scales a bit by weight of story bonuses?

Confidence my not win a war but having a superior economy, superior army, superior navy and some allies is very much enough to win a war.

I do not mind if you write stories but I highly doubt they will even the playing field as no matter what you do the odds are in my favor. I can also write stories and I have another being made but it is not directed towards war.

@LittleBoots, your defeat at Straits of Gibralter no matter how disastorous has provided a lesson for future navies for centuries to come. Probably one of the biggests turning points in this game.

No need to try your new found strategies on me . I already know what they can do and I do not need to see their force again. I do not need a lesson in naval warfare as I have heard plenty of stories through our traders .

@Neverwonagame, you could have become a major power by expanding across Scandinavia similar to what I did in Northern Germany. We could've been allies controling the Baltic together prospering from trade and protecting from outside forces.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

Maybye if i write 5-10, all war-directed, it will even the playing field. I have some in reserve- it'll only be a slight stretch.

And i had no way of knowing- i suspected your intention was to conquer Scandinavia- you already had Denmark. If you don't know somebody has any principles whatsoever, the logical thing is to presume they have no principles whatsoever.

Finally, you would have had a head start, i couldn't have caught up, and i'd be a similar fix to Eire now. I'm not talking about the Strait of Gibraltar, but Brittania on it's doorstep. I admit i'd have it a bit better, but i wasn't willing to risk it.

As for Eire's posistion, i don't think that if he quit and Das took over that it could win the game now.

 

[The Farow]

Maybye if i write 5-10, all war-directed, it will even the playing field. I have some in reserve- it'll only be a slight stretch.

And i had no way of knowing- i suspected your intention was to conquer Scandinavia- you already had Denmark. If you don't know somebody has any principles whatsoever, the logical thing is to presume they have no principles whatsoever.

Finally, you would have had a head start, i couldn't have caught up, and i'd be a similar fix to Eire now. I'm not talking about the Strait of Gibraltar, but Brittania on it's doorstep. I admit i'd have it a bit better, but i wasn't willing to risk it.

As for Eire's posistion, i don't think that if he quit and Das took over that it could win the game now.

No one wins a NES first of all. das, as Eire could achieve a very powerful situation as Eire still has tons of colonizing potential. Anyway Eire is at the same strength as me economically and stronger then me militarily plus their homeland is like a forteress. Eire is already a great power and still has a lot of potential.

Yes, I had a head start but for now on my growth will be seriously slowed. I had stated my intentions of expansion in the thread to only include Northern Germany up to the Rhine.

It took me 15 updates to get where I am now and dozens of campaigns and I am probably just as strong as when I am started. Now it would take a period of the same amount of time to expand into Scandinavia to make a large enough presence there for it to really affect you. My forces have to deal with fighting babarians on a very large front unlike you. Being big is not always good in this NES as Tartessos demonstrated.

Anyone can rise above already made powers they just have to wait for the right moment and you sir did not wait for the right moment in my opinion.

 

[North King]

My forces have to deal with fighting babarians on a very large front unlike you. Being big is not always good in this NES as Tartessos demonstrated.

There are other big (PC) nations who demonstrate this much better than Tartessos.

 

[The Farow]

Fine to make North King happy the League of the Sea Peoples who started out way behind most of the world managed to defeat several powers at once and grew rapidly from there. They are a great power (threatened by many other powers ATM) but they surpassed Egypt in power which had been there from the beginning.

 

[North King]

Actually, I was referring to how being a big power was not an advantage, pointing to my own rapid fall from grace.

 

[The Farow]

That too

I was pointing out the good qualities of your rise. Good Luck North King I hope you survive. I like the League of Sea Peoples they always were interesting to read about in the update .

 

[LittleBoots]

Finally, you would have had a head start, i couldn't have caught up, and i'd be a similar fix to Eire now. I'm not talking about the Strait of Gibraltar, but Brittania on it's doorstep. I admit i'd have it a bit better, but i wasn't willing to risk it.

As for Eire's posistion, i don't think that if he quit and Das took over that it could win the game now.

You'll notice that I managed the situation just fine, through diplomacy and Britannia and I haven't had any issues yet. And, yes, Farow is right, Ireland is a freaking fortress now. Taking it would not be easy at all.

Tartessos was a setback, yes, but a relatively decent peace has been reached and I don't think I'm in a bad position in any way, shape, or form. One little loss in war is not going to set me back forever, especially if this goes to the middle and modern ages. I'm actually in a really good position to become a domestic powerhouse similar to the Citadel in LINES, because my economy is tied for third (See below) and I'm still small, so my costs aren't multiplied. Sure, it hurts when I'm trying to wage war and I don't get the multipliers, but I can avoid war without too much effort.

Economy Rankings in jalNES
1) 12EP/turn Rome (alex994), Sumeria (andis-1)
2) 10EP/turn Atyria (TerrisH), Britannia (~Darkening~),
3) 7EP/turn Carthage (Luckymoose), Egypt (Birdjaguar), Eirehann (LittleBoots), Prussian Empire (The Farow), Sparta (Kal'thzar)

I realize I'm tied with quite a number of people, but third place is still third place. Add that to the fact that every single other person on this list (save Sparta) is larger than I am and, as I said, domestically I'm looking pretty good.

In short, I completely reject most of your statements

 

[The Farow]

Eire I think has huge potential even if Briton decides to attack Eire. To completely defeat Eire would be near impossible for quite some time. The island is a hard nut to crack. The only way I can think of getting in is when Eire is domestically fragmenting...

Briton probably would be worse off if Eire decided to betray them. The island has a lot of area to guard while Eire is only a fraction of that.

Even weaker powers like Sweden can rise really fast just peacefully building up a small area of land. They just build some cities and work on infrastructure improving urban economy while trading with Briton, Eire, Prussia, and Noricum they have a lot of potential to be strong.

 

[alex994]

Actually I would argue against Eirehann being a fortress island at all. Yes, you've fortified your entire island but fortifications are only so much. You simply don't have the sufficient number of troops manning the fortifications to make them almost impregnable It's a hard nut to crack, but I'm sure a determined nation can crack it.

That does remind me, how is the citadel a domestic powerhouse in LINESII?

 

[jalapeno_dude]

That does remind me, how is the citadel a domestic powerhouse in LINESII?

Because I have 3 special cities, but am a fraction the size of the other powers?

 

[LittleBoots]

Actually I would argue against Eirehann being a fortress island at all. Yes, you've fortified your entire island but fortifications are only so much. You simply don't have the sufficient number of troops manning the fortifications to make them almost impregnable It's a hard nut to crack, but I'm sure a determined nation can crack it.

Now that the Tartessian war is over, I can move a majority of my troops back to the island. Also, I have 7 EP, which can turn into 7 000 swordsmen fairly quickly. Even if I'm outnumbered, 12 000ish troops fighting with homefield advantage + fortifications and a warrior tradition... I'm not too worried.

That does remind me, how is the citadel a domestic powerhouse in LINESII?

See JD's post

 

[The Farow]

I am predicting in the upcoming turns will Eire will have the time to focus on building more troops to man those fortresses.

 

[North King]

If you really want a nation that's screwed, look at mine!

 

[The Farow]

@North King, have more confidence in your self

Say over and over again "I will not let the League die"

This should motivate you!