Who do you save?

Who do you save?


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How about this then BJ. How do you face the family of the person you didnt save? Because if you do save your pet over someone else, even a stranger...I assure you people are going to come asking why.

In fact, I would probably say that someone letting a person die over their pet could face criminal negligence charges, and almost absolutely would be facing a wrongful death lawsuit from the family of the person that was left to die.

I can say this with absolute conviction. If I found out that someone let a member of my family die simply to save an animal, I would pursue them to the fullest extent of the law and possibly even beyond it. You had better guard Rover quite well, or he might be on his way to Europe to be sharkbait for some fisherman there....:mad:
Again it comes back to proximity. If after the choice, I would have to face the family of a known person whose death I brought about, I might well choose differently. But, if the choice is between my cat and an unknown member of the the 6 billion people alive today, I would probably choose my cat.

You value the idea that all human life is more sacred than other life and I value those (people and animals) I love more than those I don't.
 
Again it comes back to proximity. If after the choice, I would have to face the family of a known person whose death I brought about, I might well choose differently. But, if the choice is between my cat and an unknown member of the the 6 billion people alive today, I would probably choose my cat.

You value the idea that all human life is more sacred than other life and I value those (people and animals) I love more than those I don't.

Dont get me wrong. I would save a family member over a complete stranger any day. But not an animal.

Thats pretty much the same thing as saying I would save my truck that I love over some stranger. Trucks...like animals...are replaceable. People arent.

Also, wouldnt it be a violation of the Golden Rule to save your pet over another person?
 
Humans are plenty replaceable as theres 6 billion and to many of us. It would depend on the situation. Totally nameless stranger, I would chose the pet. I'm selfish sue me.
 
Also, wouldnt it be a violation of the Golden Rule to save your pet over another person?

I wouldn't trust much on the golden rule; applying it means that you can't send a robber to jail because you wouldn't want to go to jail if you were in his shoes. You need something more sophisticated than that.
 
Given that you can only save one of the two, I'm assuming this is an emergency situation and not a "I'll kill whichever one you don't save, so chose carefully". What is going to go through my mind first? "OMG, that random human I don't know is in danger" or "OMG, my beloved pet I've spent 6 years with is in danger?" You'll probably end up saving whichever one you think of first.
 
Seems we got a lot of people haters here folks....;)

Or a lot of potential PETA members it seems....

Not true. PETA hates pets for the same reasons Ecofarm hates them.

Funny considering that care for pets is one of the major inspirations for support of animal welfare in many people, but there you go.
 
The human you save won't be cuddly and cute and bring warmth to your heart. It'll probably be just some dude who says "thanks bro" and leave you alone forever. Maybe add you as a friend on facebook. Nothing worthwhile- he or she has never been a part of your life before, and won't be after you save them. Worthless. If you actually talk to them after you save him or her, you'd probably find him/her annoying and be a jerk. Worthless.

But on the other hand, you have your beloved pet, the animal love of your life. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside, just bubbling with goodness.

:goodjob:

and this is why I'd save my dog, Muffin :)

Trucks...like animals...are replaceable. People arent.

Muffin is not replaceable! [pissed] A cow is replaceable. A dog that is intelligent and has a distinct personality is NOT! :aargh:
 
CLearly you have never beloved a human then?'

Me saying that pretty much shows how silly your own comment was....doesnt it?

Come off it Lucy, I have indeed had beloved pets. My family has always had pets and we recognize that some are indeed more beloved than others. My most beloved pet is our cat Frenchie. We have had him for going on 15 years now and never, ever had a problem out of him. He doesnt even need a litterbox as he is trained to go in our bathtub (and is easily cleaned up). There is going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth when that cat dies, but even then, I couldnt live with myself if I didnt save someone elses life over that cats. I would regret not being able to save both of them, but I know I would regret the person most. What right do I have to choose my cat over someone else that also is loved and cared for by others? What right do I have to take their life away simply because I am so selfish as to save my pet because of my emotional ties to it? Thats just selfishness.

Not really, since mine applied to something you actually said. I don't think I've been involved in any conversation about beloved humans in this thread.

I'm sure Frenchie is great. I'm pretty jealous mine doesn't have his toilet habits. But what you said wasn't about whether you'd feel bad later or whether anybody is selfish. What you said was that your cat is easy to replace. If you meant that, your cat is not beloved. He's just another animal.
 
To me, it is the most horrific thought imaginable (save for extreme eternal torture, yada yada) to have my consciousness permanently extinguished... I want to experience the Universe and eat pie for as long as possible! And I would assume most other people do, too. Therefore, my pet would have to go. Unless I have a chimp or a dolphin for a pet, it doesn't have personality in the same way as humans do, and even a pet chimp would be worth less than a human life obviously.

As for the "oh boohoo you bought a dog instead of saving people", you could make the same argument for almost any household object. You hardly need more than an empty flat and a bowl or rice and water a day to survive, so why not give away everything you have to save those lives? In the end it comes down to personal values and what you're willing to give up to help others. Thing is, you cannot really be held directly responsible for people dying of hunger in Africa, etc, and indirect responsibility is a fuzzy concept at best. I didn't make the choice to be born to wealth in a world where others are poor and dying, did I? I may have compassion but no direct duty/responsibility. Whereas you are directly responsible for the death of the person you choose to kill instead of your pet. Depending on the circumstances you could get tried for manslaughter or even murder (if you must kill Jane/John D by your own hands - in which case btw I think many would reconsider).

I had a thought about a short movie regarding a twist on this idea at one time. Say, you'd be given a billion dollars if you pushed a small red button that would randomly choose one person of the world's seven billion residents to be killed painlessly and without suspicion. The motives of the donator are irrelevant, as is the source of his powers. You'd only know that the outcome is certain if you press the button: random person killed, one billion dollars on your bank account (without suspicions either - don't ask me, he's a genie! Again, such considerations are irrelevant to the question at hand.) I dare say almost everyone on Earth would push the button. After all, with that billion dollars - think about how many persons you could save! Even if it were a 100 persons - you could save many, many more. And so on and so forth. I may make a thread on this later on, if it's not done already. I suspect that it is though.

The movie would end after the protagonist had considered every possible moral system, made the rational final decision, pushes the button - and yes, you guessed correctly, keels over in his chair, dead by his own hand and its greedy devices. :goodjob: You could say, struck down by God's finger (whether He exists or not, although if genies do then chances are that JHWH does too ;)).
 
selfishness.
Before you have any right to lecture the rest of us, perhaps you should start putting your money (and relative to much of the world's population, you have a whole hell of a lot of it!) where your mouth is and sell off your microwave, TV sets, computer, cancel your cable, stop eating out, etc. and give all that money to charity or offer to adopt a bunch of foster children? Why is it wrong for us not to surrender our loved pets and right for you to live in a castle of smug self-righteous satisfaction?
 
Before you have any right to lecture the rest of us, perhaps you should start putting your money (and relative to much of the world's population, you have a whole hell of a lot of it!) where your mouth is and sell off your microwave, TV sets, computer, cancel your cable, stop eating out, etc. and give all that money to charity or offer to adopt a bunch of foster children? Why is it wrong for us not to surrender our loved pets and right for you to live in a castle of smug self-righteous satisfaction?

protestants don't become holy hermits :(
 
a human, because once you are dead you are DEAD! there is nothing, but the void... so i take human because I like kicking puppies
 
I wouldn't trust much on the golden rule; applying it means that you can't send a robber to jail because you wouldn't want to go to jail if you were in his shoes. You need something more sophisticated than that.

That is the worst application of the golden rule I have ever seen. :lol: Surely you can do better than that. :shake:

I am totally with MobBoss on this issue. Pets are replaceable. I have had many beloved pets die to know that we can always get another one. Also you have to think about the legal ramifications that he said about you not helping someone when you could have.
 
Yeah, I could probably adopt 12-15 kids via the Christian Children's Fund with just what I spend on pet food a month. That's not counting vet bills and whatnot.

Exactly. Though, in a technical sense, our dog is not 'mine', but my family's. I wouldn't have a dog if I were by myself. We got it for my daughter, mostly.

In a more practical sense, I chose my daughter's short-term happiness over someone's life (actually, many people's lives, given how expensive the dog is). If I lost my family (but not my dog), I don't know if I could easily put him down in order to save money. Maybe not. If I were in an immediate situation where I would have to choose directly between my pet & a person, the guilt would hurt either way.

Indeed. Who is to say this choice does not exist?

It very much does exist. We live in a world with an enormous opportunity cost for our luxury spending. The difference in the price between a store-bought pizza & a delivered pizza is roughly the amount of money that would protect 2-3 families from malaria for two years.

What sort of death is the non-saved one going to experience? Quick and painless? Slow and agonizing? Do we have to bear witness? Would those change anyone's answer?

Well, in my analysis, the person's probably dying of dehydration due to diarrhea.
 
My pet. Its vastly more important than some stranger.
 
My pet. Some clarification: I have no pets, and would never treat one as my own child (because it's crazy)...

All living things are equal.
 
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