Why conservatives don't like marijuana

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

"Good lord you don't even understand the terms you're trying to argue here, do you? An administrative fine isn't a criminal sanction. It's the equivalent of a parking ticket. No criminal record, no threat of jail."

If you ever followed my posts in this thread you would know I was never that in or a fanatic for criminalization. Or that jail was the miracle solution. No.

I said pragmatically that the Cze solution was best. That's all.

Honestly, I have a moral problem with people who start with substance/narcotics or even alcohol abuse as a kinda of (pseudo) solution to their own problems. It's kinda like video game addiction. If you suffer from that, if you just drink too much because you have like a girlfriend or college problem, you need to get a life, see a real psychologist, whatever. Because substance abuse or alcohol abuse isn't a real solution, but a false one, you'll get dull and forget your problems but they'll stick there.

But in pragmatic terms, the CZE progressive legislation seems fine to me. Actually, can you pinpoint to me saying "hey prison is the miracle work"?? No. I never argued for that. So you're making a strawman here. I already made my own points clear, btw.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Is this a bit

Alas, it is not.

 

[Arwon]

"Good lord you don't even understand the terms you're trying to argue here, do you? An administrative fine isn't a criminal sanction. It's the equivalent of a parking ticket. No criminal record, no threat of jail."

If you ever followed my posts in this thread you would know I was never that in or a fanatic for criminalization. Or that jail was the miracle solution. No.

I said pragmatically that the Cze solution was best. That's all.

Honestly, I have a moral problem with people who start with substance/narcotics or even alcohol abuse as a kinda of (pseudo) solution to their own problems. It's kinda like video game addiction. If you suffer from that, if you just drink too much because you have like a girlfriend or college problem, you need to get a life, see a real psychologist, whatever. Because substance abuse or alcohol abuse isn't a real solution, but a false one, you'll get dull and forget your problems but they'll stick there.

But in pragmatic terms, the CZE progressive legislation seems fine to me. Actually, can you pinpoint to me saying "hey prison is the miracle work"?? No. I never argued for that. So you're making a strawman here. I already made my own points clear, btw.

If you're changing your position to "liberalising drug policy is good, actually, but imma still be mad and tut-tut people about taking drugs just personally because of plato or whatever", then I'd say that's some damn good posting work on my part.

You still need to drop that weird idea it's an anglo thing though. Anglo countries are behind the curve on progressive drug policy.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

If you're changing your position to "liberalising drug policy is good, actually, but imma still be mad and tut-tut people about taking drugs just personally", then I'd say that's some damn good posting work on my part

No, the problem is pretending substance\alcohol abuse isn't a problem, and pretending we can't have checks for that. I argued that substantially, but hey, according to what I said about CZE legislation, it's already a criminal offense to do any stuff in excess. That's good enough for me, pragmatically.

 

[Arwon]

No, the problem is pretending substance\alcohol abuse isn't a problem, and pretending we can't have checks for that.

literally nobody is doing this mate lol. Substance use disorder is a health problem, nobody is pretending it isn't. It's in the DSM 5 and everything.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

literally nobody is doing this mate lol. Substance use disorder is a health problem, nobody is pretending it isn't. It's in the DSM 5 and everything.

OK, fine, so I got nothing to add. Alcohol abuse and substance abuse are a significant social concern globally. That's all. But I've never said criminalization was the magic wand to solve all that. In fact fines and mandatory rehab without criminal character might be much better, that's all.

 

[Hygro]

But why discuss all drug use as undifferentiated and as abuse?

 

[Ajidica]

We all know Jesus loves marijuana.

 

[NinjaCow64]

As King Missile said - Jesus was way cool. I would link the song but it probably runs afoul of forum rules.

 

[Angst]

The end game of liberalism is a zero sum state where nothing exists and everything is permitted, because what matters is what the individual believes is true, whereas reality is nothing like that. Liberalism is nihilism.

no

 

[Lexicus]

All you gotta do is take a full tab and then resist the urge to black hole the party.

We're going to peer pressure him to munch the whole sheet

 

[Hygro]

The right wing fetishizes how the left wing already lives.

 

[EvaDK]

While Conservative administrations started waging war on drugs in the late 60s and 70s, the CIA was deeply involved in arms and drug trafficking in Southeast Asia.

I agree that the marijuana question is linked to who uses the drug in the eyes of those advocating a ban and harsh sentences to drug users.

 

[Nick723]

Not cannabis, but interesting to see legislation against tobacco moving in the opposite direction:

Smoking age should rise from 18, by one year every year - Rishi Sunak

Measure aims to ensure children of today would not be able to buy cigarettes in future.

www.bbc.co.uk

I believe New Zealand has a similar policy already in law.

Thoughts on this? Does anyone support legalising marijuana whilst supporting this ban? Will we see tobacco descend into the illegal drugs world as a consequence?

 

[Lexicus]

Not cannabis, but interesting to see legislation against tobacco moving in the opposite direction:

Smoking age should rise from 18, by one year every year - Rishi Sunak

Measure aims to ensure children of today would not be able to buy cigarettes in future.

www.bbc.co.uk

I believe New Zealand has a similar policy already in law.

Thoughts on this? Does anyone support legalising marijuana whilst supporting this ban? Will we see tobacco descend into the illegal drugs world as a consequence?

I generally think if you're old enough to enlist in the military you're old enough to do whatever drug you want.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Not cannabis, but interesting to see legislation against tobacco moving in the opposite direction:

Smoking age should rise from 18, by one year every year - Rishi Sunak

Measure aims to ensure children of today would not be able to buy cigarettes in future.

www.bbc.co.uk

I believe New Zealand has a similar policy already in law.

Thoughts on this? Does anyone support legalising marijuana whilst supporting this ban? Will we see tobacco descend into the illegal drugs world as a consequence?

I don't really agree with Rishi Sunak on this.

Ian Dunt has an interesting article; although I don't agree with him about the ban being popular.

Rishi Sunak’s dreadful smoking ban is his most dangerous policy yet

It's authoritarian, legally muddled, pointless and potentially self-harming

inews.co.uk

It seem to me like an example of the proverbial dead cat being thrown on the table to distract people from government underperformance.

 

[Plains-Cow]

Sometimes marijuana smells like farts.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Not cannabis, but interesting to see legislation against tobacco moving in the opposite direction:

Smoking age should rise from 18, by one year every year - Rishi Sunak

Measure aims to ensure children of today would not be able to buy cigarettes in future.

www.bbc.co.uk

I believe New Zealand has a similar policy already in law.

Thoughts on this? Does anyone support legalising marijuana whilst supporting this ban? Will we see tobacco descend into the illegal drugs world as a consequence?

Its a nothing policy. Smoking amongst the under-16s has dropped massively in recent years.
Being tough on smoking but doing nothing about single-use vapes is just chasing headlines.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Sometimes marijuana smells like farts.

I'd guess that might be a logical consequence of eating marijuana cake.

Its a nothing policy. Smoking amongst the under-16s has dropped massively in recent years.
Being tough on smoking but doing nothing about single-use vapes is just chasing headlines.

There must be a lot of money in vaping, I wonder how much ends up in politicians' pockets.

 

[Hygro]

Sometimes marijuana smells like farts.

Sometimes farts smell like marijuana