Why Do You Hate The Byzantine Empire

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Technology:
Greek Fire

Wonders:
Scrinia, The Golden Horrn, The Hieron

Leaders:
Justinian, Constantine, Alexius Comenus....

Come on man!
Is a little bit of biscut eatin eastern empire action a bit too much to ask for???
I hope for it in every civ game!
Big ups for the Hagia Sophia.

 

[MSTK]

The Byzantine empire is my personal favorite, probably because my first Out of the Rubble was based on it.

 

[Fife]

I agree with you MSTK! The Byzantines were the first civ I used in Bts and I've stuck with them.

 

[Jarlaxe Baenre]

Don't post in threads over 5 years old...

 

[Jopo]

I like the Byzantines, they stood for a thousand years after Rome fell.
Hagia Sophia is a great Wonder to have, any ideas for more Byzantine Wonders or unique buildings or units?

Cheers!

 

[Link]

I like the Byzantine Empire for historical reasons IRL, but in game, Justinian is a pretty bad leader. Although, cataphracts are pretty nice.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hate the Byzantine Empire?

All wise people love it

As for ideas for byzantine UB's, here are some i modelled:

 

[Ajidica]

No one hates the Byzantine Empire. Its just that they can be represented by the Roman EMpire for all intents and purposes. (Yes, I understand the difference between them. But if shifting power center is the requirement for a new civ, then we need like three for CHina.)

 

[Reims_empire]

Byzantine was a grat civilization of the middle ages:

In fact they could get two unique units
UU: Cataphracte (Knight)
Dromon (Trireme)

 

[zeggy]

Don't post in threads over 5 years old...

lol...

 

[sncn1234]

but it would be hard if they had a Byzantine empire and a ottoman empire and i'd rather have a ottoman empire.

 

[Jarlaxe Baenre]

but it would be hard if they had a Byzantine empire and a ottoman empire and i'd rather have a ottoman empire.

This debate is 5 years old...

 

[sncn1234]

This debate is 5 years old...

i didnt revive it

 

[candle86]

Why would it be hard to have the Ottomans and the Byzantines together. The Ottomans back then where know as the Seljuk Turks lol. How do you think they fell in the first place? There where already calling themselves the Ottoman Empire when they seized Constantinople.

As for Romans filling in for Byzantine Empire not quite. While the Byzantine Empire is the Eastern Roman Empire, and yes its exactly what it was, Byzantine Empire is a 19th Century term for it. But as I was saying, when Rome split the Western and Eastern Empires started to grow apart until the Western half fell to the barbarians, aka the Vandals, Huns, Goths, and Visigoths. The Eastern Roman Empire because Hellisntic and while using some units in common with Rome such as the Comitatenses and Limitanei, they also adopted Horse Archers, Heavy Cataphracts, and the Eastern Bow and Archery tradition. Making it within 300 years so different than classical Rome that they look nothing alike.

 

[Peng Qi]

I think the ideal here would have been for Rome to get a Byzantine UU and a Roman UU in Civ5. Too bad they already missed the boat on that one!

 

[TheDS]

Don't post in threads over 5 years old...

Why not?

Am I also not allowed to talk to anyone over the age of 5? Or is it that I'm not allowed to talk to anyone I've known for 5 years? Really dude, who elected you to be ruler of thread timekeeping? If you can't contribute to a thread, stay out of it. It really is that simple.

This debate is 5 years old...

It's actually a lot older than that. It's a few hundred years old, if not a few thousand, depending on how you measure it.

A lot of things are older. The Earth is like 4.5 BILLION years old. Whoa, let's all get in an uproar! Stop learning new things about the Earth, we can't learn anything if it's more than X seconds old!

New things are learned about the Earth every day. I think we can afford to burn a few electrons on the Byzantines, regardless of when the original question was asked. There's no one twisting your arm to participate, and certainly no one participating wants to hear you whine about a topic you have no interest in. If you can't contribute to a thread, stay out of it. It really is that simple.

i didnt revive it

Duh?

Did we really need that postcount padding?

No we didn't.

If you can't contribute to a thread, stay out of it. It really is that simple.

/rant

The Byzantines are a culture we just don't know much about. In high school, the only thing I learned about them was that they were the Eastern Roman Empire and they survived after the Western half fell to barbarian onslaught. Somehow between now and then, the adjective "byzantine" came to be synonymous with "archaic" and "useless". Kinda like "Vandals" and "Huns". I blame the Ottomans. Everyone likes their furniture so much they forget how it was made. Kinda like Nikes.

From a more practical standpoint, what really makes them worthy to be included? What did they accomplish that was really noteworthy, other than surviving a thousand years in obscurity. They're barely a footnote, and a maligned one at that.

Sure, I've never heard of a lot of the civs in Civ games, but those civs at least have the advantage of a different geography from other civs. The Byzantines share geography with the Ottomans and the Turks, like Rome shares geography with Italy. We don't have Italy, we have Rome instead. We don't have Byzantium, we have the Ottomans instead. We don't have Manchuria, we have China. And so on.

 

[candle86]

Why not?

Am I also not allowed to talk to anyone over the age of 5? Or is it that I'm not allowed to talk to anyone I've known for 5 years? Really dude, who elected you to be ruler of thread timekeeping? If you can't contribute to a thread, stay out of it. It really is that simple.



It's actually a lot older than that. It's a few hundred years old, if not a few thousand, depending on how you measure it.

A lot of things are older. The Earth is like 4.5 BILLION years old. Whoa, let's all get in an uproar! Stop learning new things about the Earth, we can't learn anything if it's more than X seconds old!

New things are learned about the Earth every day. I think we can afford to burn a few electrons on the Byzantines, regardless of when the original question was asked. There's no one twisting your arm to participate, and certainly no one participating wants to hear you whine about a topic you have no interest in. If you can't contribute to a thread, stay out of it. It really is that simple.



Duh?

Did we really need that postcount padding?

No we didn't.

If you can't contribute to a thread, stay out of it. It really is that simple.

/rant

The Byzantines are a culture we just don't know much about. In high school, the only thing I learned about them was that they were the Eastern Roman Empire and they survived after the Western half fell to barbarian onslaught. Somehow between now and then, the adjective "byzantine" came to be synonymous with "archaic" and "useless". Kinda like "Vandals" and "Huns". I blame the Ottomans. Everyone likes their furniture so much they forget how it was made. Kinda like Nikes.

From a more practical standpoint, what really makes them worthy to be included? What did they accomplish that was really noteworthy, other than surviving a thousand years in obscurity. They're barely a footnote, and a maligned one at that.

Sure, I've never heard of a lot of the civs in Civ games, but those civs at least have the advantage of a different geography from other civs. The Byzantines share geography with the Ottomans and the Turks, like Rome shares geography with Italy. We don't have Italy, we have Rome instead. We don't have Byzantium, we have the Ottomans instead. We don't have Manchuria, we have China. And so on.

ok here is where im gonna blow your mind about what they actully did. The Byzantine Empire held back the Islamic conquest from eastern europe for 500 years, long enough for nations such as Hungry to have a fighting chance. They slowed down the Mogol invasions making the Anatolia a safe zone for refugees and giving Eastern Europe a chance. They where the center of trade anything going to or from Europe went through Constantinople. They where the cradle of the Early Christian Church. They laid the ground work in Nicea for what dates holiday's today fall on. Thats also in the Byzantine Empire. They where the last vestiage of advanced civilization while the rest of Europe fell into the dark ages, and into squallor, the Byzantines kept a watch at the door into Europe. IF the Byzantines hadn't been there many things would have been lost in truth. Sevral militray innovations and technologies, trade routes, civics, and sciences all where preserved in Constantinople. The modern thoughts of the emprire of decadance and uselessness only started in the mid 1700's. Before this point Byzantine Empire was known as the Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire was meant to degrade the memory and accomplishments of those people, and likly inspired by the HRE and the Papalcy who hated the fact the Romans of Constantinople could lay a claim to be the heirs of Rome.

 

[Peng Qi]

Sure, I've never heard of a lot of the civs in Civ games, but those civs at least have the advantage of a different geography from other civs. The Byzantines share geography with the Ottomans and the Turks, like Rome shares geography with Italy. We don't have Italy, we have Rome instead. We don't have Byzantium, we have the Ottomans instead. We don't have Manchuria, we have China. And so on.

Really, we should have Byzantium instead of the Ottomans by that logic, as most Ottoman accomplishments were based on Byzantine ones, they share a geography with the Byzantines, and the Byzantine Empire lasted a lot longer than the Ottoman Empire.

 

[candle86]

Actully if we went with that logic we would have the Thracians there which are really the hittites

 

[Peng Qi]

Actully if we went with that logic we would have the Thracians there which are really the hittites

Neither the Thracians nor the Hitties held an empire together for a millennium.