punkbass2000
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For one thing, photons are zero-dimensional. That's god if I've ever heard it.
Why do you or don't you believe in God?
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kmad said:
So, if You didn't need internet, You'd doubt its existance as well?
CIVPhilzilla said:
You're just proving that some bad things were done in connection or in the name of religion, not that anything good has come out of it.
The church was, apart from persecuting heretics, been and still is, running hospitals, taking care of orphants and of widows, cementing society, fighting pirates (Maltan cavaliers), in MA church was fighting for the agreement of women to be necessary for the marriage,
it's given us wonderful paintings, sculptures, architecture, music, literature
etc
So, what was the beginning of the universe, then?
And if You admit there's no beginning of it, You admit that something infinitive can exist. If something can be infinitive in time, why not in other aspects as well?
Why?
So, in general, You're resigning of the faith due to lazyness, and having no other reason, nothing to fill the intellectual void caused by His lack, because You're - again - too lazy to think about it
?Why?
Why?
It's not about faith, if You go to Heaven or not.
You don't have to have organised religion to believe in God.
Imagine yourself in primary school. You have a test. You don't understand maths at all. A friend gives You an answer. It fits, but may be wrong as well. Do You throw it away, because You can't prove it yourself, or do You accept it, at least until You find a better sollution?
And how do You know " that a few humans arbitrarily created thousands of years ago"?
You're puting your atheism as a proof of your atheism. Circle.
Not necessarily. Perhaps they just seriously asked themselves a question about what's after the death for the first time.
As You've written, it's a feeling on a smaller scale and so, the quarrels are even more common - but on smaller scale, usually.
And who do You blame for nature?
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nonconformist
Miserable
Yes, but despite there being evil in it, did good not come out of the Soviet Union? I mean, despite the millions who suffered and died, the USSR was foremost on gender equality, everyone had a job, and they had a huge military.
It was responsible for so much art, music and architecture.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Beats me why not, but it's been experimentally verified with quantum mechanics.cgannon64 said:
Here's some stuff on virtual particles, really wierd stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particles
I don't know they may be stringspunkbass2000 said:
Why?punkbass2000 said:
punkbass2000
Des An artiste
Perfection said:
Fair enough
Well, they're everywhere all the time. But it was really more of a rhetorical statement => there is no god.
EDIT: Your move, BTW
Your comparison is utterly biased...
SU was responsible, in over 20x shorter history, for tones more suffering. The Great Hunger, several wars caused by SU including the greatest of all, ww2, several decades of completely totalitarian militaristic state...
And Soviet art... please...
Gender equality, I'm sure democracies are doing better. Was there ever a reknown Soviet female politicial? or military officer?
SU was responsible, in over 20x shorter history, for tones more suffering. The Great Hunger, several wars caused by SU including the greatest of all, ww2, several decades of completely totalitarian militaristic state...
And Soviet art... please...
Gender equality, I'm sure democracies are doing better. Was there ever a reknown Soviet female politicial? or military officer?
nonconformist
Miserable
Squonk said:
Yeah, maybe there was a lot of suffering, but can't you see the good?
The art is great...the music sublime.
Reknown females? not may, no. But the USSR had arguably the best female universities in Europe.
And I can name generals, yes. Zhukov, Zaitsev, etc.
King Alexander
Universe explorer
I second this.kmad said:
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Good post and sig, King Alex!
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I'm honoured to be praised by your Majesty, Sir Curt!CurtSibling said:Good post and sig, King Alex!
onedreamer
Dragon
puglover said:
Why do you assume that Universe was ever created ? What proves do you have that it ever was, and that it didn't always exist, instead ?
The problem with most of human beings is that they cannot accept the fact they can't give a shape to everything. Therefor, they have a problem in front a concept called INFINITE.
What is after the Universe ? What was before the Universe ? My answer to these two questions is : the Universe. The Universe is infinite and has been around for an infinite time, and will live infinitely.
Problem is that people cannot accept this answer. Because human brains cannot conceive infinity, as our existance and everything concerning it (except the concept of Universe) are finite. Even in Mathematics and Physics infinite is more of an abstract concept than a mathematic one. So we, poor "finite" human beings, had to invent that our lives will be infinite, in order to find our cozy little place in the Universe. To do so, we elaborated a lot of theories:
- afterlife, thanks to God (or Devil)
- infinite parallel dimensions where we live our lives infinite times
- reincarnation (the one that I found most hilarious)
onedreamer
Dragon
Squonk said:
It's evident you know very little of Sovietic Union. You are the most biased person writing in this post. I won't go on discussing what good or bad came from Sovietic Union, or from other "democratic" countries, because it's off topic. I will just stop on your bias. WW2 was caused by USSR ? Uhm... ok. We must have studied different Histories...
firstly the second world ware was caused by hitlers quest to regain face for the gernam people after all the shame and humility they lost in ww1... as far as god goes? Yeah i believe. Hell i better... hes pulled my arse outta the fire so many times, ive dang near been killed twice when i was serving abroad, and well like the old saying goes, theres no athiests in foxholes. And after seeing my son being born... makes it hard for me not to. I personally despise organised religion. If i have to dress up to go worship i do nt go. God doesnt care what u wear as long as u are there. But this is my opinion. feel free to argue it all u want. I struggled in my faith all my life, having bullets land near me as an early morning suprise in some hills in a country that im not supposed to name, and living through it.. not a good thing... ive learned to find that my faith is stronger when it needs to be, not when someone tells me it. I give from my heart and fell with it when im at my church and many people there feel the same as I do. I will not give money to places that I dont know... like travelling missionaries well because i believe charity begins at home. IF someone tells me im gonna basically have to buy my way into heaven they can shove it u know where...
King Alexander
Universe explorer
[off topic]
Allow me to add that, the Soviet Union(whether one liked it or not or was in the middle!) has contributed to a great degree in all positive sciences, in arts, etc, with all the brilliant 'minds' it had and the 'Western' World also benefited from all of them - if one is curious enough to search and find out about all the previous, he'll be amazed!
[back to topic]
IMHO, the phrase 'do you believe in God?' *automatically* asks if one is a *follower* of the X dogma(and principles) or not, and it doesn't simply ask if one believes that a God exists.
Now, if a God existed(I'm not suggesting that it does), so what? Why is the human nature willing to worship a God, because he'd have greater powers than humans?(again, so what?)
Maybe, we expect something from 'God'(aka, our unsatisfied ego?) We want immortality - We cannot accept the idea that we'll die someday, because we think, and therefore, we know it'll eventually happen. Even in 'tough' situations, when some look to God to help them, in reality, they really wish not to die and nothing else.
We wouldn't need our brain if we followed 'orders' by a God.
Theoretically, if a God really intended to give humans "thought" he'd do so because he'd want us to think ourselves and decide ourselves what to do
(like the good 'creator' he is - according to religions teachings).
Spending our whole lives in fear of whether we were *good* or not and what impact will our actions have in the afterlife - depending on God's agenda and own ideas! - , I call this at least, sadistic...
Allow me to add that, the Soviet Union(whether one liked it or not or was in the middle!) has contributed to a great degree in all positive sciences, in arts, etc, with all the brilliant 'minds' it had and the 'Western' World also benefited from all of them - if one is curious enough to search and find out about all the previous, he'll be amazed!
[back to topic]
IMHO, the phrase 'do you believe in God?' *automatically* asks if one is a *follower* of the X dogma(and principles) or not, and it doesn't simply ask if one believes that a God exists.
Now, if a God existed(I'm not suggesting that it does), so what? Why is the human nature willing to worship a God, because he'd have greater powers than humans?(again, so what?)
Maybe, we expect something from 'God'(aka, our unsatisfied ego?) We want immortality - We cannot accept the idea that we'll die someday, because we think, and therefore, we know it'll eventually happen. Even in 'tough' situations, when some look to God to help them, in reality, they really wish not to die and nothing else.
We wouldn't need our brain if we followed 'orders' by a God.
Theoretically, if a God really intended to give humans "thought" he'd do so because he'd want us to think ourselves and decide ourselves what to do
(like the good 'creator' he is - according to religions teachings).
Spending our whole lives in fear of whether we were *good* or not and what impact will our actions have in the afterlife - depending on God's agenda and own ideas! - , I call this at least, sadistic...
onedreamer said:
Both nazi Germany and USSR attacked Poland, after previously having the division settled. That's enough to blame it for the start of the war. That it later became a victim of its own politics, it's another question.
If the point was that there's always something good to be found in everything, surely. Communism is theorethically a noble idea.
But USSR as a state was not less bloodier than nazi Germany, though of course it got much milder with time.
There's no way You can compare religion to USSR.
Am I really the most biased person here?
I don't claim only good stuff came out of religion or Christianity, and I don't think USSR was pure evil.
Am I more biased than a person who claims that nothing good came out of religion?
I was enangered by comparison of religion to USSR, and was not completely objective there. In many aspects of technology, culture or science, USRR had exceptional successes. I personally know my friends are still using Soviet dictionaries of Arabic languages, even if they don't know Russian - simply because Baranow's dictionary is considered the best.
Still, it was one of the bloodiest regimes and its fault outweight its plusses many many many times.
nonconformist
Miserable
I am sorry if I offended you; I seem to have posted in a way that was open to misinterpretation. My actual point was not to compare religion to the USSR, but to show that in the Catholic faith, as in the USSR, many atrocities came out of a system, as well as good.
Squonk said:
Soviet art? Presumably you have not listened to Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Bartok and/or Stravinsky, or, you don't think much of any art at all. All are excellent composers of the Soviet Union (yes, I realize Bartok and Stravinsky left it but that's besides the point).
If nothing else, the Soviet Union showed us what human beings are capable of. It was not a bad thing because it was secular, the lack/presence of religion does not change human nature for the better or for the worse. Religious people are not morally superior nor morally inferior. We are all inherently equal - it is in what we choose to make of ourselves that we show our selves to be good/bad/charming/tedious.
Which brings me round to why I cannot believe in god. I cannot believe in a god who would punish people simply for questioning and seeking their own opinion. I cannot believe that our only motive to be good is to avoid punishment. I cannot believe a system that one moment claims we are all loved and the next that we're all damned. Therefore I choose to follow myself and what I believe to be true and right and just, not what I am told. Because I answer to no-one, because none of us do.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
I don't think a god exists, so naturally I don't believe in one.
To anser an earlier query, cause and effect is very much a human invention. We think in thse terms because all of experience in everyday life is geared that way. Something happened? What caused it? And it was very successful and the basis of most of our scinece. It was when we started to investigate phenomena outside our experience - in particular atomic stuff that we discovered that things we took for granted were no longer true. Things could just happen - spontaneously - with no 'cause'. Physicists took a lot of convincing but experiment has verified the fact. Things can jus happen. We haveblaws that detemine what is 'allowed'. But within that (the uncertainty principle, for example) anything goes.
The fact is - our theories predict that a universe can indeed just come from nothing. Indeed we think that's exactly what happened. What we dont have yet is a good theory of quantum gravity to give us the details.
The fact is - our theories predict that a universe can indeed just come from nothing. Indeed we think that's exactly what happened. What we dont have yet is a good theory of quantum gravity to give us the details.
punkbass2000
Des An artiste
Or a nice theory of everything to make our theories for the very small consistent with our theories for the very big... 
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