Why is Marijuana Illegal?

[Chazumi]

Seriously, it seems ridiculous for it to not just be illegal, but categorized as a schedule 1 drug, above the likes of opium and morphine. How many people have OD'd on Mary Jane? Alcohol and Tobacco are much more dangerious and have killed thousands, including my father and my brothers father. No one I know has died from smoking it. It should be legalized, or at least de-criminalized, taxed, and taken out of the hands of criminals. Similar laws akin to no-drinking/driving laws should be made, the exact penalties for drinking/driving for Marijuana.

Because god hates me and wants it to be so. Not to mention I tend to treat my wife like sh*t when I am high. Oh well. I haven't used it in years so I guess I am better off so I don't really care anymore.

I don't agree with sending chronic dealers to jail, IMO if the government legalized it and taxed the sh*t out of it like tobacco we would be good economically, but fast food vendors already mess my order up enough, I couldn't imagine what I would get from someone who was high, though I am probably fooling myself in thinking they aren't high when they make my order...

DOUBLE BACON BURGER WITH CHEESE AND EVERYTHING ON IT PEOPLE. CMON NOW!! IQ OF 80 COULD FIGURE THAT OUT!!!!

 

[ComradeDavo]

I'll see your age, drunkedness and nationality cards and raise a relevance card.

Don't know what you mean by nationality card but anyhow....(and no, using 'ja' instead of 'yes' is not playing a nationality card).

My point being that I doubt you will have the same view when your older. I mean really, alcohol illegal becaus eof no reason to drink it? What about having a few pints with your mates? Or having a bottle of wine to compliment a meal?

As for marajuana, I mean alot of people find it enjoyable to smoke a joint or 2with friends!

Is not enjoyment a valid reason? After all it's a personal choice.

Sometimes I seriously wonder if you ever use anything else than the age argument. At least where I live, most people at 16 have already experienced quite a lot of times what you're saying.

I just find it hard when 16 year olds talk about stuff they haven't even experianced yet.

Edit: To clarify, i've only used with you in reagrds to the whole Kosovo thing (aka that you are too young to remember the way back in '99) and now in this instance because sweedishguys view of banning alcohol and marajuana because theres no good reaosn to use them is ignorant of the fact that they can be very enjoyable when used sensiablly, and that around 16/17 is when alot of teenagers first experiance it.

 

[holy king]

because anyone can grow it.

anyoone can grow tobacco, so they just made it illegal to grow tobacco without license... see no problem there...

 

[CaptainF]

I never get ahead of me. Light-years ahead of you, though.

Marijuana is usually smoked. Aside from which, the ACS link described the carcinogens that exist in UNsmoked marijuana. Eat the stuff in brownies and you're still eating carcinogens.

The only references made to consuming marijuana in that article were to smoking.

I mean really, it helps to know what your own posted article is saying...

Oh yeah? QUOTE ME.

You are a liar.

Spoiler :

Yes, Mary Jane has caused cancer, and yes, it has killed people. Death by cancer, death by car accidents.

 

[nonconformist]

And why do people use ganja in smaller amounts and less often?

BECAUSE IT IS EXPENSIVE AND BECAUSE IT CAN GET YOU ARRESTED.

Why is ganja expensive? Why can it get you arrested?

BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL.

Uh...so how come plenty of people I know smoke a lot more cannabis than they do cigarettes?

 

[scy12]

Some sensible goverments around the Globe try to make cigaretes as ilegal as possible by introducing extra taxes on them , making them illegal to be used in public areas and so on .
And people wonder why marichuana is illegal ? I won't get into a discussion into how much damage it does on your health compared to cigaretes and alcohol. The point is that it does and the less consumption there is for either of those products the better.

 

[Fifty]

Btw, I just looked up the guys bio. Guess what. He is a libertarian. Duh. And apparently has written a whole slew of papers on how Marijuana is good, government is bad. Double duh.

I don't understand this standard of skepticism. I mean, are you saying that someone writing about a position they believe in is automatically a "biased source" simply in virtue of the fact that they are in favor of that position?

So, like, to convince you of something, someone has to be arguing for a stance that they don't actually believe in, and that they have never written about before, and that bears no relation to their position on broader issues?

 

[BasketCase]

Red meat consumption contributes to bowel cancer; shall we get the DEA to shut down beef production?

By the way, it's also been shown that radiation from PC monitors causes brain cancer.

Do what I do. Print out all the screens on a printer instead of using a monitor.

 

[BasketCase]

Uh...so how come plenty of people I know smoke a lot more cannabis than they do cigarettes?

I don't know them, so I can only guess.

It might be because they're......how can I put this delicately......stupid as hell?

 

[BasketCase]

Wrong quote, Dawgphood. You accused me of saying this:

When you were trying to prove that being stoned causes you to have accidents.

I have challenged you to quote me saying that, and the quote you provided is not it.

Yes, Mary Jane has caused cancer, and yes, it has killed people. Death by cancer, death by car accidents.

I only said marijuana causes you to have car accidents. I never said how.

You are a liar.

 

[Alpine Trooper]

Well what do you get high off of BasketCase? I sniff gasoline.

 

[CaptainF]

Some sensible goverments around the Globe try to make cigaretes as ilegal as possible by introducing extra taxes on them , making them illegal to be used in public areas and so on .
And people wonder why marichuana is illegal ? I won't get into a discussion into how much damage it does on your health compared to cigaretes and alcohol. The point is that it does and the less consumption there is for either of those products the better.

Two things:

Marijuana, as we have discussed in this thread, is far less damaging to your health than either alcohol or tobacco.

Second, criminalizing marijuana won't lower it's consumption. More people per capita consume cannabis in the U.S. than in Amsterdam where it is somewhat legal. The U.S. also still produces tons upon tons of weed every year, probably more than any other place on Earth.

 

[Atlas14]

I don't know them, so I can only guess.

It might be because they're......how can I put this delicately......stupid as hell?

There is really no need to completely illegalize something that only harms the individuals directly involved with the activity, when the health complications vary in severity and typically occur later in life. Really, a group of people smoking pot, as long as they aren't doing it on a busy sidewalk in the middle of a city/town, aren't really doing any direct harm to anybody. Naysayers simply have no clue how to have a good time, and don't want others to have fun. Simple as that.

If someone causes a car accident while under the influence of THC, then arrest them for being reckless and charge them accordingly. People can be reckless and cause accidents without the use of THC, there is really no reason to specifically discriminate against weed.

 

[CaptainF]

Wrong quote, Dawgphood. You accused me of saying this:

I have challenged you to quote me saying that, and the quote you provided is not it.


I only said marijuana causes you to have car accidents. I never said how.

You are a liar.

You said that marijuana causes people to kill themselves via car accidents.

The story you posted doesn't even demonstrate that link. It just shows that some people who have car accidents have THC metabolites in their system.

A shaky link at best my friend. No kudos to you.

Second, your games of semantics don't cover up the fact that you clearly implied that SMOKING marijuana causes you to have car accidents. I'm sure you didn't mean, if you want to be taken ultra-literally, that marijuana's mere existence causes people to crash cars?

I'm not a liar sir. We all know what you're implying here.

 

[BasketCase]

The story you posted doesn't even demonstrate that link. It just shows that some people who have car accidents have THC metabolites in their system.

It showed that......

People who drive after using marijuana are nearly twice as likely to be involved in a fatal car crash.

......people with THC metabolites in their system are MORE LIKELY to have car accidents.

 

[CaptainF]

I don't know them, so I can only guess.

It might be because they're......how can I put this delicately......stupid as hell?

Why are they stupid exactly? They're using a drug that can't kill you and is one of the least harmful substances on the planet.

 

[BasketCase]

Second, your games of semantics don't cover up the fact that you clearly implied that SMOKING marijuana causes you to have car accidents.

Not true. However, smoking marijuana while reading my posts is clearly causing you to read them completely wrong.

Come back when you sober up.

I'm not a liar sir. We all know what you're implying here.

Yes. You are. You are claiming I said things which I did not, and you are trying to attach nonexistent implications to my words.

 

[BasketCase]

Why are they stupid exactly? They're using a drug that can't kill you and is one of the least harmful substances on the planet.

Forget it. I trust the ACS and the WebMD web sites a lot more than I trust you. And they say this particular drug CAN kill you, and that it IS harmful. Not one of the most harmful substances on the planet, but certainly dangerous because it combines the hazards of tobacco and alcohol in one drug.

 

[CaptainF]

It showed that......

......people with THC metabolites in their system are MORE LIKELY to have car accidents.

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

It only looked at THC in their system. Who knows? Maybe they had something to drink that night, maybe they were on other meds. Fact is, you haven't clearly proven that marijuana causes you to crash a car.

You are, in all your preemptive glory, showing a clear bias against that which you don't like.

 

[CaptainF]

Forget it. I trust the ACS and the WebMD web sites a lot more than I trust you. And they say this particular drug CAN kill you, and that it IS harmful. Not one of the most harmful substances on the planet, but certainly dangerous because it combines the hazards of tobacco and alcohol in one drug.

You trust WebMD? Here's a link that I posted earlier in the thread, which you obviously didn't read.

Web MD says that heavy marijuana use doesn't damage your brain

You should also check my other link on the top of page 6 from the American Thoracic society which shows that heavy marijuana smoking doesn't even cause lung cancer.