Why is Marijuana Illegal?

Swedishguy · Apr 5, 2008

ComradeDavo said:
As I can see from your profile your 16...perhaps soon you will experiance normal teenage things like getting wasted and having a good time with friends, ja?

I'll see your age, drunkedness and nationality cards and raise a relevance card.

Mirc · Apr 5, 2008

ComradeDavo said:
As I can see from your profile your 16...perhaps soon you will experiance normal teenage things like getting wasted and having a good time with friends, ja?

Sometimes I seriously wonder if you ever use anything else than the age argument. :crazyeye:

At least where I live, most people at 16 have already experienced quite a lot of times what you're saying.

robo-snickers · Apr 5, 2008

to bad almost everyone smokes or smoked at one time... i bet cops smoke it when they take a stash from someone

Atlas14 · Apr 5, 2008

BasketCase said:
If you knew the answer to that one, you wouldn't have asked.

Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. You don't. And that's not a question.

When you inhale smoke, you get cancer. Yes, Mary Jane has caused cancer, and yes, it has killed people. Death by cancer, death by car accidents. Yes, in much lower numbers. But why does Mary Jane kill fewer people?

Because it is illegal. Prove me wrong.

Mary J is less addictive than cigarettes, which explains why weed smokers have a far easier time going cold-turkey with their drug than chronic cigarette smokers.

skadistic · Apr 5, 2008

BasketCase said:
But why does Mary Jane kill fewer people?

Because it is illegal. Prove me wrong.

So exactly how many did it kill for the millenniums before it was illegal? What is the ratio of an average cigarette smokers ppm to an average pot user ( who just smokes pot)? How many extra chemicals are in cigarettes from the production line compared to how many extra are in weed? How many smokers are hooked on the highly addictive cigarettes for decades as opposed to those that smoke the non-addictive marijuana?

amadeus · Apr 5, 2008

Fifty said:
To give teens something relatively non-consequential spend all their political energy on so that they don't get involved with the many far more important issues and causes important today?

Oh, I like this answer. I only wish it were true.

CaptainF · Apr 5, 2008

skadistic said:
You call it legend I call it BS.

BS? Not really...

CaptainF · Apr 5, 2008

BasketCase said:
If you knew the answer to that one, you wouldn't have asked.

Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. You don't. And that's not a question.

When you inhale smoke, you get cancer. Yes, Mary Jane has caused cancer, and yes, it has killed people. Death by cancer, death by car accidents. Yes, in much lower numbers. But why does Mary Jane kill fewer people?

Because it is illegal. Prove me wrong.

Burden of proof is on you since you are making such ridiculous claims. Show me that it has caused cancer or that it has killed even one person, let alone in a car-accident.

Contempo · Apr 5, 2008

Dawgphood001 said:
BS? Not really...

We need to tax weed and pun-tang! We must, and we should.

skadistic · Apr 5, 2008

Dawgphood001 said:
BS? Not really...

Yeah I've seen that study and its still BS. It assumes a lot about actual numbers and uses just estimates. Then the estimates are inflated and skewed. It counts a lot of imported weed as home grown when it obviously isn't.

BasketCase · Apr 5, 2008

Dawgphood001 said:
Burden of proof is on you since you are making such ridiculous claims.

You're the one making a ridiculous claim. But, as always, BasketCase goes above and beyond the call of duty:

American Cancer Society

A study by researchers from the University of California at Los Angeles, M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, New York Eye and Ear Infirmary, and Arizona Cancer Center has linked smoking marijuana with an increased risk of head and neck cancers.

Their study, published in the December 1999 issue of the journal Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention, is not the first to link marijuana to such cancers. Earlier research has shown marijuana cigarettes contain more tar and higher levels of certain cancer-causing chemicals than tobacco cigarettes. DNA mutations have been found in respiratory system cells of marijuana users and several case reports have found an unexpectedly high number of marijuana users among patients with cancers of the head and neck region, including the mouth, tongue, throat, and larynx.

This study, however, is the first to systematically compare head and neck cancer risk among marijuana users and non-users. The study looked at the relationship between marijuana use and head and neck cancers in 173 patients diagnosed with those diseases who were compared with 176 cancer-free patients.

Carcinogens in Marijuana

"This is the first [epidemiological] study to examine whether smoking marijuana increases risk of head and neck cancers," said Zuo-Feng Zhang, MD, lead author of the study and member of the Jonsson Cancer Center at the University of California Los Angeles. "Most people dont think about marijuana in relationship to cancer. The carcinogens in marijuana are stronger than those in tobacco. The big message here is marijuana, like tobacco, can cause cancer."

According to the study, the more times per day a person smokes marijuana, the greater the risk of head and neck cancers. People who use marijuana habitually for many years increase their risk of head and neck cancers substantially. "If you smoke a little, your risk increases a little," Dr. Zhang said. "If you smoke a lot, your risk increases a lot." The average user in this study had two to three times the risk of non-users.

The results of the study are particularly important now, as people who became habitual marijuana smokers in the 1960s are reaching older ages. "Because head and neck cancers cancers of the mouth, tongue, larynx, and pharynx take many years to develop, people who smoked large amounts of marijuana in the 1960s may just now be developing head and neck cancers," Dr. Zhang said.

ACS Expert Agrees

Michael Thun, MD, vice president of epidemiology and surveillance research for the American Cancer Society (ACS), agreed the study strongly suggests habitual marijuana smoking increases the risk of head and neck cancers. "This is not surprising since many of the same cancer causing substances in tobacco smoke are present in marijuana smoke. Marijuana cigarettes generally deposit more tar in the respiratory tract than tobacco cigarettes," he said.

Marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drug in the US, according to the study. It is estimated about 31 percent of the US population 12 years or older has used the drug.

The study builds on previous studies of marijuana and cancer risk. The authors conclude large studies are needed to further examine the relationship between marijuana and increased risk of cancer.

The ACS estimates about 36,000 cancers of the mouth, tongue, throat, and larynx will be diagnosed this year in the US and about 10,000 people will die of these cancers. In addition to marijuana use, the main risk factors for these cancers are tobacco and alcohol use.

Note the boldface part, above. "The carcinogens in marijuana are stronger than those in tobacco." Carcinogen: a substance that causes cancer when ingested. Mary Jane contains carcinogens (and burning the stuff creates other carcinogens); carcinogens cause cancer.

I'll tell you why marijuana doesn't cause cancer as much as tobacco does, though: people smoke less marijuana because it's more expensive and because you can get arrested for smoking it. Why is it more expensive? Why can you get arrested for smoking it?

BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. PROVE ME WRONG.

BasketCase · Apr 5, 2008

Show me that it has caused cancer or that it has killed even one person, let alone in a car-accident.

If you had looked this up on the web first, you would have saved yourself a little trouble and thirty seconds of typing.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash

Dec. 1, 2005 - People who drive after using marijuana are nearly twice as likely to be involved in a fatal car crash.

French researchers studied all drivers involved in fatal car crashes over a two-year period and found 7% tested positive for marijuana, including nearly 3% who tested positive for a combination of marijuana and alcohol.

Although marijuana's share of fatal crashes is much lower than those attributed to alcohol, researchers say the results show that marijuana use, even in low doses, significantly increases the risk of fatal car accidents.
More Pot, More Deaths

In the study, published in the medical journal BMJ, researchers reviewed information on 10,748 drivers who were involved in fatal car crashes and took required tests for drugs and alcohol.

Twice as many drivers involved in fatal car accidents tested positive for marijuana compared with a group of other drivers.

Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol.

The study also showed that drivers who tested positive for marijuana were more than three times as likely to be responsible for the fatal car crash. Researchers say the likelihood of being at fault increased as the blood concentration of marijuana increased.

Here's a tip, Dawg: NEVER make an absolute claim such as "show me that marijuana has killed EVEN ONE person". Always put weasel words in your sentence. Always cover your ass. Because in a nation of three hundred million people, even statistically impossible things happen regularly. Smart-ass opponents like me WILL be able to find that one example that proves you wrong.

CaptainF · Apr 5, 2008

BasketCase said:
If you had looked this up on the web first, you would have saved yourself a little trouble and thirty seconds of typing.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash

Here's a tip, Dawg: NEVER make an absolute claim such as "show me that marijuana has killed EVEN ONE person". Always put weasel words in your sentence. Always cover your ass. Because in a nation of three hundred million people, even statistically impossible things happen regularly. Smart-ass opponents like me WILL be able to find that one example that proves you wrong.

A piss test doesn't mean they were stoned at the time of the accident. You lose.

CaptainF · Apr 5, 2008

BasketCase said:
Note the boldface part, above. "The carcinogens in marijuana are stronger than those in tobacco." Carcinogen: a substance that causes cancer when ingested. Mary Jane contains carcinogens (and burning the stuff creates other carcinogens); carcinogens cause cancer.

I'll tell you why marijuana doesn't cause cancer as much as tobacco does, though: people smoke less marijuana because it's more expensive and because you can get arrested for smoking it. Why is it more expensive? Why can you get arrested for smoking it?

BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. PROVE ME WRONG.

One thing you're overlooking is that the cannabinoids in cannabis are a great anti-cancer agent. Studies have been conducted that show THC applications can halt the spread and even shrink malignant tumors.

Here

Also, you conveniently overlook the fact that you DON'T HAVE TO SMOKE IT. Brownies, vaporizers, etc. are also used frequently, especially by medical patients.

Guess what sort of patients get perscribed marijuana, even the smoked form? Asthma patients. Yes those patients with such screwed up respiratory systems get perscribed lung passage dilating cannabis. Funny, isn't it?

I will concede that marijuana smoke isn't exactly GOOD for your lungs, but comparing it to tobacco is laughable, primarily because there is no comparison. Tobacco is easily far more harmful.

You can inflate your chest with the knowledge you are a smart-ass after all, because it's all you look like at this point.

skadistic · Apr 5, 2008

Twice as many drivers involved in fatal car accidents tested positive for marijuana compared with a group of other drivers.

That doesn't mean weed was the culprit. You know since it stays in the body for a month or more.

Leonel · Apr 5, 2008

I figure inhaling any kind of smoke is bad for you.

CaptainF · Apr 5, 2008

leonel said:
I figure inhaling any kind of smoke is bad for you.

Yes, but marijuana smoke doesn't cause cancer, and like I said asthma patients get the stuff because it dilates large air passages in the lungs.

skadistic · Apr 5, 2008

the short list of extra chemicals in cigarettes

Spoiler :

That wold be extra, added, not naturally there.

Thats why weed hasn't killed many people. Its lest deadly.

BasketCase · Apr 5, 2008

I just posted a link (by the American Cancer Society, no less) proving that marijuana DOES cause cancer.

And I posted a study showing that marijuana users are more likely to have car accidents.

I lose? Ha. The only thing I lost is two minutes of typing time.

Atlas14 · Apr 5, 2008

BasketCase said:
I just posted a link (by the American Cancer Society, no less) proving that marijuana DOES cause cancer.

And I posted a study showing that marijuana users are more likely to have car accidents.

I lose? Ha. The only thing I lost is two minutes of typing time.

Just about anything nowdays is shown to cause cancer. Now you need to find a study that shows a majority of marijuana users actually use it enough to get this cancer and significantly increase their risks for other health problems.

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