Why Islam is a problem for the integration of immigrants

[Gori the Grey]

Past inventions were the result of modern American Liberalism? Sounds a lot like revisionist history to me.

1) I was also unaware that science and technology has a political orientation. Always thought the scientific method was unbiased.



2) Guess you'll be taking the family to Libya and Syria this summer huh? The Sudan maybe? No barbarism there.

1) We stood on the shoulders of giants. There was a time even Westerners had the humility to recognize that.

And they were better as a world civilization when they did.

2) That wasn't my claim. Just that there's no shortage of barbarism in the world culture you so admire.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Well RomanKing I have to say you seem a bit insane. Haven't read all your posts, but what it seems to come down to is that there are "winners" and "loosers". Not only in the resent US election, but - somehow - in all areas of life. The loosers are dumb and don't understand and will soon realize it and will feel terrible about it etc. While you, member of the shining winners, who got it right and will destroy what is bad, keep gloating about your sides gloryness.
That sounds to me like you play Conan the Babarian, using politics as a vehicle for your desire for domination and battle, which provides the illusion of being a real thing you are part of. I mean, you are part of something, I guess. I just think some kind of roleplay game would be more fitting and less worrying. At least than you are straight-forward about what you even doing. But as it is, you seem to confuse fantasy-fulfillment with real life. Possibly fuled by some echo chamber, as Machinae suggested.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

as Machinae suggested.

And Tim has outright said.

 

[RomanKing]

While you, member of the shining winners, who got it right and will destroy what is bad

Pretty much.

American Liberalism is dead.

But as it is, you seem to confuse fantasy-fulfillment with real life.

People like myself are going to be the one's who work with other like-minded people to replace the old system with a new one and that's no fantasy. It's already happening, so you keep telling yourself whatever fiction soothes you into believing that your worldview isn't dying on the vine.

I'll be Conan the Barbarian and you can be the pseudo-intellectual who can't see the forest through the trees.

 

[Lexicus]

Always thought the scientific method was unbiased.

Well, you were quite wrong, and it's good to see you broadening your horizons to incorporate elementary philosophical insights!

American Liberalism is dead.

Well, I really really hope Clinton/Obama liberalism is dead, to be replaced by Sanders liberalism, but I know better.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'll be Conan the Barbarian

But wait, weren't you calling for exiling the barbarians?

Suddenly I see an advantage in this idea. Self described barbarians advocating for widespread death should be exiled...at the least.

 

[RomanKing]

But wait, weren't you calling for exiling the barbarians?

Suddenly I see an advantage in this idea. Self described barbarians advocating for widespread death should be exiled...at the least.

You first have to defeat them. Something the left doesn't have the means to do.

 

[Gori the Grey]

You first have to defeat them. Something the left doesn't have the means to do.

Or Glorious Leader Trump, either, it would seem:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...judge-extends-halt-trump-travel-ban/99793954/

 

[RomanKing]

Or Glorious Leader Trump, either, it would seem:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...judge-extends-halt-trump-travel-ban/99793954/

Delaying the inevitable and making American's less safe is all the left is capable of doing. All they're accomplishing is the destruction their own party.

Like Hitler in his bunker they will fight it out until their bitter ends.

 

[El_Machinae]

Past inventions were the result of modern American Liberalism? Sounds a lot like revisionist history to me.

Did you really pull that out of the words that I typed??? Really? Is my inability to communicate with you that strong? At some point, you need to read for intent, man! It's a two-way street. I can only craft what I say as far as I have useful feedback.

Modern liberals have a lot of intellectual ancestry with what would have been called 'liberals' in the past. And they did a lot of the things that, today, we deem to have been the superior action.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Delaying the inevitable and making American's less safe is all the left is capable of doing. All they're accomplishing is the destruction their own party.

Like Hitler in his bunker they will fight it out until their bitter ends.

One of the 10th circuit judges who supported the initial stay on the barbarian ban was Republican.

I like to think of these people not so much as left but as right-thinking.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You first have to defeat them. Something the left doesn't have the means to do.

Why don't we just let you do it? You want barbarians exiled. You are a self described barbarian. Self deport. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

 

[RomanKing]

Modern liberals have a lot of intellectual ancestry with what would have been called 'liberals' in the past. And they did a lot of the things that, today, we deem to have been the superior action.

I really don't see any reasonably way you can shoehorn Modern American Liberalism into anything that has taken place in the past, especially scientific discoveries since they are not political statements.

 

[NovaKart]

I'm totally lost with what we're even discussing anymore.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm totally lost with what we're even discussing anymore.

Gigantic spears and mithryl chain mail.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Like Hitler in his bunker they will fight it out until their bitter ends.

Hitler in his bunker couldn't take a bag of gold teeth and flee to Canada. Other fascists have been better prepared for the collapse of their regimes.

 

[El_Machinae]

I really don't see any reasonably way you can shoehorn Modern American Liberalism into anything that has taken place in the past, especially scientific discoveries are not political statements.

Ah, when you said 'innovations', you were referring to scientific ones, and not to the general concept.

But, even then, an incredible number of scientific innovations have fallen out of liberal policies or as a result of liberal funding decisions.

But if you're using 'science' then your point makes even less sense. There's an incredible amount of modern science being generated from a variety of funding motivations.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I'm totally lost with what we're even discussing anymore.

Cliffs Notes: The West is a beacon of light in world that is otherwise entirely given over to barbarism. But despite its manifest superiority, it trembles in abject vulnerability to being undermined by those barbarians.

 

[RomanKing]

But, even then, an incredible number of scientific innovations have fallen out of liberal policies or as a result of liberal funding decisions.

You keep repeating this, however you have failed to explain how the scientific process and invention is a political policy. Science isn't political - it's science. Black and white.

Cliffs Notes: The West is a beacon of light in world that is otherwise entirely given over to barbarism. But despite its manifest superiority, it trembles in abject vulnerability to being undermined by those barbarians.

The barbarians are easy to deal with. It's the elitist international left that is entrenched in their self-destructive policies.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You keep repeating this, however you have failed to explain how the scientific process and invention is a political policy.

He's also "failed" to show how whether or not it is a "political policy" has anything to do with the discussion at hand...but unlike you he isn't bringing it up so explaining the relevance is not his problem.