Why Islam is a problem for the integration of immigrants

[El_Machinae]

Do you think he's actually believing in a cleansing, and that it's somehow the morally superior outcome?

Or is it merely a might-makes-right argument? The cleanse is necessary to make a better world for the survivors?

 

[RomanKing]

So, you're just gonna refuse to actually dialogue?

You have already stated you are obstinately opposed to any solution and want to maintain the status quo in perpetuity - which is the liberal position. The left is completely unreasonable and unwilling to take any measures to solve the conflict because they know it means admitting that their ideology and worldview is an utter failure.

The left is being removed from power everywhere because they are unwilling to deviate from the very policies that have forced the world into an irreversible direction for conflict.

The right doesn't need you, you're unwilling to change, and have no solutions to offer, so why should I waste my time discussing it with you? The right will do what needs to be done without any input from the irrelevant left. The left has no leverage and has lost their place at the table. Time to get on the bus, or get run over.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Do you think he's actually believing in a cleansing, and that it's somehow the morally superior outcome?

Or is it merely a might-makes-right argument? The cleanse is necessary to make a better world for the survivors?

He went about five posts in a row shouting "death to the lib'ruls" before he got his "you're new here" warning. I think his "the end will be great just not for you" message was pretty clear.

 

[RomanKing]

He went about five posts in a row shouting "death to the lib'ruls" before he got his "you're new here" warning. I think his "the end will be great just not for you" message was pretty clear.

You consider terrorists to be liberals? That sure explains a lot. This whole thread makes sense now.

 

[El_Machinae]

You have already stated you are obstinately opposed to any solution and want to maintain the status quo in perpetuity - which is the liberal position. The left is completely unreasonable and unwilling to take any measures to solve the conflict because they know it means admitting that their ideology and worldview is an utter failure.

The left is being removed from power everywhere because they are unwilling to deviate from the very policies that have forced the world into an irreversible direction for conflict.

The right doesn't need you, you're unwilling to change, and have no solutions to offer, so why should I waste my time discussing it with you? The right will do what needs to be done without any input from the irrelevant left. The left has no leverage and has lost their place at the table. Time to get on the bus, or get run over.

I'm pretty sure you've conflated me with previous conversations you've had. You cannot really read my posts to you and reasonably pull that synopsis, unless you twist and squint at them to read in things that just weren't written.

What measures to 'solve the conflict' could you possibly be imagining? Do you think there's some application of violence that will prevent a figurative handful of muslims from engaging in murderous activities?

 

[RomanKing]

Close the borders, throw out the barbarians, execute the terrorists, destroy ISIS and we have the means to do it. Problem solved.

Any other proposition is a half measure and will not work.

Neighboring countries can take refugees and safe zones can be created in the countries with on-going conflict until the situation is stabilized. The bottom line is military intervention is necessary to end this.

There is no reason for these people to ever be entering into Europe, especially in the uncontrolled manner that they are. It's an embarrassment.

 

[Synobun]

Who are "the barbarians"?

Who are "the terrorists"?

 

[RomanKing]

Who are "the barbarians"?

Who are "the terrorists"?

With all of the cyber spying the governments are involved in now that will be very easy to figure out.

 

[Synobun]

Okay. Who are they?

 

[RomanKing]

It looks like you need to re-read.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Who are "the barbarians"?

Who are "the terrorists"?

Everyone who disagrees with the right wing extremists. Hasn't he made that clear enough? Maybe he's right and you do need to reread.

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, of those, 'close the borders' seems to be a non-starter. It's just literally impossible, given the scale.

I don't mind creating safe havens more close to the areas of conflict (I'd already stated that?), but I'd recommend that bribing people there will be vastly cheaper than forcing them there. I think of refugee camps as hotbeds of future Jihadis, so you want to do the refugee camps with an eye on the longgame. The reason why you drain the refugee camps by moving them elsewhere is to reduce the overall security risks and to dilute them. If your allies are asking for help, then helping them should be on the table.

"Execute the terrorists" I ... guess? But then you'd need some type of legal changes in countries that don't usually have a death penalty. It's not like 'execute' has any real deterrence value. We're talking about a cult that recruits for suicide missions. Catching them is the hardest part of the equation, and by a very large margin.

"Throw out the barbarians" is a pretty meaningless catchphrase. Is there some barbarian test you can apply? What's its type I error rate? It's type II? Of all your suggestions, this is the one I'd actually criticise if it was sincere. It's a stupid catchphrase. It means nothing. It solves nothing.

And finally "Destroy ISIS". Newsflash, nearly everyone agrees. What's debated is the pricetag in dollars and in civilian casualties. It's not like liberals are 'slacking' here, policy wise. ISIS is barely significant in any real military sense. And they've consistently losing ground, on the balance. You'd like an escalation of civilian deaths to make it go faster? That's basically the pricetag. I'm not sure that rampant disregard for a few hundred thousand Muslims will make the global concern over Islam 'better'.

 

[RomanKing]

What you and the left wants is irrelevant now.

 

[El_Machinae]

What you and the left wants is irrelevant now.

Unlikely. You need the center in order to really affect change in the West. And we're smack-dab in the middle of it.

 

[RomanKing]

Unlikely. You need the center in order to really affect change in the West. And we're smack-dab in the middle of it.

Lol, no you're not, but that was a good one. Made me chuckle.

 

[Synobun]

It looks like you need to re-read.

Not that I am aware. Thus far, you have done a good job of saying vague phrases but not a good job at specifying beyond them. Who are the barbarians? What is a barbarian? Can you define this for me?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Unlikely. You need the center in order to really affect change in the West. And we're smack-dab in the middle of it.

Remember, you are talking to someone who has to look left with a telescope to see Mussolini. Using a term like "the center" will only confuse him.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I used to be a leftist, now i'm just a cynic.

 

[RomanKing]

Not that I am aware. Thus far, you have done a good job of saying vague phrases but not a good job at specifying beyond them. Who are the barbarians? What is a barbarian? Can you define this for me?

I'll give you a hint. Many of them are fresh arrivals and enjoy a good snackbar.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'll give you a hint. Many of them are fresh arrivals and enjoy a good snackbar.

That's about the quality of criteria for a purge that I'd expect from a fan of blood soaked totalitarianism.

 

[RomanKing]

Remember, you are talking to someone who has to look left with a telescope to see Mussolini.

I agree, the Nazis and their Axis were lefty socialists.