Why Islam is a problem for the integration of immigrants

[RomanKing]

The burden of proof is on the person who made the claim.

You can claim that unicorns exists, but the burden isn't on everyone else to prove that they don't.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The burden of proof is on the person who made the claim.

Which is you. You throw in this random fact. It is up to you to show that it has any relevance to the conversation. But of course you won't, because you can't, because it doesn't.

 

[RomanKing]

Looks like you need to re-read. He is the one making the claim.

I think you just enjoy being contrarian. You don't seem to have any agency whatsoever.

 

[Lexicus]

Science isn't political - it's science. Black and white.

You've obviously not only never done science, but never been within miles of where science was being done.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No, you just misrepresented what he said, almost certainly intentionally because you are incapable of dealing with his argument, and keep harping back to it because in your echo chamber circles that would be seen as "clever" while here it is seen as "lame" and you haven't figured that out yet.

 

[El_Machinae]

You keep repeating this, however you have failed to explain how the scientific process and invention is a political policy. Science isn't political - it's science.

Ah

Science comes from funding coupled with motivation. So, when science is funded with liberal motivations, or when liberals are funded to do science, then there are innovations created that very much cannot be solely credited to 'non-liberals'.

Look up. All I said is that liberals made a lot of things we actually like. Or funded their creation.

I'm also distinguishing between 'science' and 'inventions'

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Ah

Science comes from funding coupled with motivation. So, when science is funded with liberal motivations, or when liberals are funded to do science, then there are innovations created that very much cannot be solely credited to 'non-liberals'.

Look up. All I said is that liberals made a lot of things we actually like. Or funded their creation.

I'm also distinguishing between 'science' and 'inventions'

It was easier to just say that he misrepresented what you said, probably intentionally.

 

[RomanKing]

Ah

Science comes from funding coupled with motivation. So, when science is funded with liberal motivations, or when liberals are funded to do science, then there are innovations created that very much cannot be solely credited to 'non-liberals'.

Look up. All I said is that liberals made a lot of things we actually like. Or funded their creation.

I'm also distinguishing between 'science' and 'inventions'

Funding that's all you got? And you want to conflate that with the actual scientists making the discoveries so you can claim their discoveries as "liberal?"

That is some advanced mental gymnastics.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That is some advanced mental gymnastics.

Glad you identified it as advanced mental gymnastics. I was thinking it was just more of your intentional misrepresentations of what El Mach was saying.

 

[El_Machinae]

Yes, funding. Innovations that were funded with liberal intent have done some pretty nice things.

You said you were proud of historical innovations. Me too. I am just acknowledging that there are more innovations that I like than would fit into any type of binary partisan view.

The March of Dimes was funded through charity. And it was awesome.

The Canadian Ebola vaccine came out of a government grant. And that's awesome too.

Siri started as a DARPA grant. That's awesome. The Google algorithm was born from an NSF grant. That's awesome too.

The discovery that healthcare works better when socialized was a great discovery. The funding of transistor research to win the Space Race was really great too.

There's a lot of awesome innovations man. If you really were proud of them, you'd be trying to learn about them to make more rather than cramming them into a binary worldview.

 

[RomanKing]

Allocating funds to something does not equate to inventing it by any feat of mental gymnastics. You can also claim that socialized medicine is better but that doesn't make it true either.

Heck, claim credit for whatever you want while you're at it. It doesn't make your claims any less delusional.

Glad you identified it as advanced mental gymnastics. I was thinking it was just more of your intentional misrepresentations of what El Mach was saying.

In the time since I've been here I can't recall you saying anything that has been remotely interesting, or has contributed to any discussion in a meaningful way, so i'd like to introduce you to the ignore list.

 

[El_Machinae]

Huh, almost like there's a center ...
But various fundings usually have different partisan support. There are projects that wouldn't have been funded if partisans had their way

But if you cannot understand how innovations happen, then being proud of your culture's innovations makes very little sense. At least from any type of partisan lens.

Sure, the West has performed admirably on innovations. But none of that can be credited to the left or the right. At best it goes to the center. Being proud of what other people have done is very human, mind. But it's not the equivalent of having invented anything from your own effort

 

[RomanKing]

Huh, almost like there's a center ...

But if you cannot understand how innovations happen, then being proud of your culture's innovations makes very little sense. At least from any type of partisan lens.

Sure, the West had performed admirably on innovations. But none of that can be credited to the left or the right. At best it goes to the center. Being proud of what other people have done is very human, mind. But it's not the equivalent of having invented anything from your own effort

I have no idea what tangent you're even on... science is not political.

 

[Synobun]

I have no idea what tangent you're even on... science is not political.

The society you're proud of and want to propagate wouldn't exist without the "barbarism" you so vehemently want exiled or executed.

 

[El_Machinae]

I have no idea what tangent you're even on... science is not political.

Funding is. And innovations come from funding. And so does science.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

In the time since I've been here I can't recall you saying anything that has been remotely interesting, or has contributed to any discussion in a meaningful way, so i'd like to introduce you to the ignore list.

LOL...you have unusual tastes. At least around here. I guess my failure to embrace your Fascism coupled with your inability to kill me leaves you little choice though.

 

[RomanKing]

Funding is. And innovations come from funding.

And what does that have to do with your claim about so-called lefty inventions?

Scientists invent things, not the people allocating funds. Giving a scientist money does not make him a leftist, or his invention ideologically left.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Funding is. And innovations come from funding. And so does science.

Your point has been made to everyone but him, and he is either incapable of grasping it or lacks the intellectual honesty to admit it. In either case it's time to call it what it is and move on.

 

[RomanKing]

The society you're proud of and want to propagate wouldn't exist without the "barbarism" you so vehemently want exiled or executed.

Terrorists are responsible for Western inventions and scientific discoveries?

That's a new one.

 

[El_Machinae]

That there are valuable innovations that exist because of lefties. And you like a lot of them. Or else you'd not have moved to Canada