why NATO should leave the Turks out

[r16]

didactic meant educational , didn't it ? A literary device and stuff , meaning you stand in for Greek strategic thinking and whatever . Accordingly while there is the scant hope to "turn" r16 -even if everybody knows hell would freeze over first- nobody should make a distinction between the old and New Turkey .

remember how it was stated that the Westerners are lightweight and would forget every single thing if a new goverment came , waving gay flags (and thus CFC might even love r16 for a day) ? That IS a terrible thing .

with New Turkey on the other hand , the country is destroyed in a new way in every new day .

even the most fervent fan of Byzantium and stuff didn't utter a single thing on CFC (unless expertly prodded and so on) when Ayasofya was no longer a museum . Because it legalizes the conversion of every single mosque in this country when we get invaded and stuff .

 

[Kyriakos]

This is highly theoretical, but if I was to guess (in that hypothetical scenario) I'd say only the byzantine buildings which were churches, would be turned back to churches; eg the Hagia Sophia, the Hagia Eirene, the Chora etc.
Certainly not ottoman buildings, like the mosque at Adrianople or the Blue mosque Assuming (again, this is theoretical) muslim populations still would be around, I see no reason why those won't go on operating as mosques.

 

[r16]

this being didactic or whatever , will naturally ignore the beginning of bargaining . Afterall like even when they had the Ambrassador of theirs in Ankara to laugh at r16 on the zoo trip , Americans have always promised respect and stuff EVERYDAY . So , who they actually want to turn ?

the Blacksea lot , of course . Even if the Greek Military is feeling very cheated at their foolish acceptance that if their supposed long lost brothers were armed to fight a very modern COIN war ... things ... would be allright ... You know in return for that they gave up a general Kurdish uprising and stuff in the early days of New Turkey . Or the middle . Or whatever ...

 

[Kyriakos]

I am not sure why you still think Greece has its own policy. If it did, the turkish fleet would have been sunk in 1996 and that'd have been the end of it
Certainly with the current party in government, you can feel sure there is no greek policy. With Syriza, well, they suck hugely too, but there is a small "maybe". In reality, all parties here are trash.

 

[r16]

you are ignoring this paper from 1960s . That sees a defeat in a war with Greece over Cyprus as the one single key to the doom of the country , under the strategical realities of that day . Which makes it absolute fact that Athens should fight without evidence that America pushed it to do so . Noticed how US Democrats around these places are now bragging on how they tricked Russia , you know , in some place ?

and here is a master trolling from the 1970s ...

Tither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with not so gigantic melancholies and not so gigantic mirth, to thread the jewelled thrones of the world under his sandals.

came out so offensive , this comics thing that it was changed into his paratrooper boots .

 

[Kyriakos]

Tbf, Greece not only did not fight in the invasion of Cyprus, it removed its regiment from there (paving the way for the invasion).
Unless there is some declaration of war by Turkey, I doubt Greece itself will go into war, regardless of what might be the outcome (of which I can't say, I don't observe military stuff really).

 

[r16]

certainly not . There would have been replacements and Makarios asked for the removal of the Greek units from the island precipating the Samson Coup and the fighting in 1974 . And like quite a bit of the old gang were personally present on the island in July 1974 . Who did they fight , South Africans ?

 

[Kyriakos]

I am not really the one to talk to about the Cyprus invasion; I know very little about it. But obviously it wasn't an actual war between Turkey and Greece. Maybe some were baited into thinking it would turn to that - but it did not.

 

[Zardnaar]

Nova Romanum Zealandia.

We can annex both? Tbf already had our asses kicked.

 

[r16]

so , there is this lack of participation , ı see . ı won't eat you , oh-kay ? Like it turns out 5 North Korean drones went into South , 6th shot down a South Korean prop trainer and the 7th overflew the South Korean President . Because in case you don't know , dear Americans , your defence industry and whatnot was not happy with orders and stuff .

so , they decided to sell nuclear boats to Australia , to be delivered in 2030s , long past the cause your finest made up , a China forced to invade Taiwan because of demographics BEFORE 2030 . To make it realistic , Australia practically forbade mineral exports after some given date . CFC has never discussed the Solomon Islands so we lack esteemed opinions whether it is true that there would be an invasion if the deal made with China was not revoked or altered . The Chinese anger modified with making them covet Siberia . The war somewhere . You people certainly heard of that ?

didn't we all got the excited defenders of freedom and whatnot ? Wonder where are them all while ı check at some current bragging about the exploits of Dark Brandon that brilliantly trapped the foolish Putin ?

equally impressive were the wailings against the Aegean and stuff . Which will be an immediate battleground after Ukraine enters Moscow or anything similar or anything less or whatever . Not only we lose the Russian protection against Democracy , us demonseed and not only Ukranians will be full of pride and immense self confidence through battle experience but supposedly South Africa has started deliveries of guided bombs (TO RUSSIA) paid by UAE money in preparation for a new Azeri -Armenian war because Putin would need something to balance his utter rout , you know somewhere nearby .

come on people , dazzle the future generations with your foresight ! How hard can it be ?

 

[Remorseless1]

Stunning how every country and every culture in the world is choking under the jack boots of the American Empire, helpless to resist the warlike demands of the brutal colossus.

 

[r16]

better us dying instead of fighting China .

 

[r16]

yeah , ending up all alone or something . So , like , what's the reason for starting a thread where ı will end up alone ? Like is it because people have remembered the r16 , commander death squads angle , to which they would wet themselves laughing like because there has been a political murder just before the year's end ? Is that why ı threaten the US with war ? Because in case you haven't figured it yet the translators know English better than native English speakers as well and they see threats in this one , too ... Will personally read from the beginning to the end myself again , but anyhow ...

contrary to ever brilliant people who are way smarter than me , this thread stems from something that wasn't allowed somewhere else . Like nobody apparently wants to mock r16 to his face these days with retorts that they would never act in good faith and be honest while dealing with the Turks and so on . But people might have been allowed , if like they gave away stuff ...

yeah , them complex sentences again . So , what went wrong ? It was to be a simple referandum and all the oppressed masses would rise and throw away the yoke of evil Turks ? Didn't Condi propose this back in 2005ish , as Iraq was warming up and real plans were becoming untenable ?

see , you will say what and ı will tell that the US planned a jihad in this country but could not because their prepatory jihad blew up in their faces . Like ı was a museum guide at the time , too ...

(no , the murder is an accident that still creates a massive opportunity to return to square one , for the West)

 

[Kyriakos]

You should have patience, after the ongoing great war to end all wars, this thread may be more popular ^^

 

[Gorbles]

so , there is this lack of participation , ı see . ı won't eat you , oh-kay ?

Something something generalisations about all Westerners, etc, et al

It's mostly been funny to read a written demonstration of the chip on your shoulder though. Poor Erdoğan vs. the evil West.

 

[r16]

oh , maybe it is because of YOU that nobody shows up here . Like because we would inevitably get down to squabling and ı would say silly things ...

say , after Paris was so forcefully showed out of Australia with regards to the submarine sales , they were so angry and JUST had to sell something and to sell JUST 18 planes to you they promised to nuke us in war . That has been duly taken note of and the French Generals (maybe) consider Emmanuel Macron gay enough not to tell ..?

and instant development , too , even before ı finish . In case the other you need to read again , this is not a thread that defends the PM . Ask the Greek guy to point out those to you .

 

[Kyriakos]

I don't recall us squabbling, to be honest - at least in recent years

 

[r16]

hush , fishing here .

 

[Fippy]

Well i can't add much other than how Erdogan is seen as danger even by turkish peoples i have contact with.
Most strictly separate between Turkey as whole and Edogan..and he's considered a dictator by many (including me prolly but i don't think much about politics).

 

[Kyriakos]

It's funny how Turkey was supposedly democratic, peace-loving etc until Erdogan came.
In other words: it wasn't, it's just that regular people in the West didn't have opportunity to read news on it.