why NATO should leave the Turks out
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Ggdaughter of (minor) sultan, indian rajib father, mother died ww2 france, raised by jesuits, air france hostess, blond looker, attended museum contest 2004-5 and likes to whack darth in the nuts..... still drawing a blank....
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Maybe he is writing a spy novel?
EDIT. Hmm...dates/events don't line up with nuland...
EDIT. Hmm...dates/events don't line up with nuland...
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r16
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yeah , ı know people might have gone through my posts or might have been told by ... people . Those same people would also have told you the said Ottoman personality is not a blonde and most definitely does not speak Turkish at all . You know , never had a chance to learn or whatever . Unless the CIA is willing to make a point that they had people in the museum interrogated subtly over the years and know what ı actually said , like in an harmless way to torment my colleagues . For those who fail to understand , it has been deemed necessary by some to accuse me of lying and it was that Ottoman person who knew people and got me into the spot am now . Like it most when Americans tell me ı know nothing and stuff ...
like what changed in the interim that ı was shown to be an idiot with a vivid imagination and had ı known the razor stuff , ı wouldn't create my imaginary benefactor with a such a funny name . Yeah , ı imagine she hasn't fired a G-3 in more than 20 years . But yeah , while ı was indeed in an actual TV show , with my name belonging to a loser and the surname going to a jerk raped a couple of times in prisons of Siberia , she is not that "famous" . Ask the 5 families of New York , if you really must , of which Gotti is the only single one simple enough to remember , on how Lord Vader was good enough to attract trouble . What's the rush , satellites discovered another Russian division on the march ?
yes , the "resignation" of Victoria Nuland shall be much better if truly understood to be a dismissal in disgrace . Easiest if it is the real thing . The only question is whether the fracas will be big enough to bring down the US from its lofty neights , right ?
like what changed in the interim that ı was shown to be an idiot with a vivid imagination and had ı known the razor stuff , ı wouldn't create my imaginary benefactor with a such a funny name . Yeah , ı imagine she hasn't fired a G-3 in more than 20 years . But yeah , while ı was indeed in an actual TV show , with my name belonging to a loser and the surname going to a jerk raped a couple of times in prisons of Siberia , she is not that "famous" . Ask the 5 families of New York , if you really must , of which Gotti is the only single one simple enough to remember , on how Lord Vader was good enough to attract trouble . What's the rush , satellites discovered another Russian division on the march ?
yes , the "resignation" of Victoria Nuland shall be much better if truly understood to be a dismissal in disgrace . Easiest if it is the real thing . The only question is whether the fracas will be big enough to bring down the US from its lofty neights , right ?
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@r16 You should reduce your stress levels, cease worrying about the US attacking Turkey. They cannot. Militarily they are unable to. They can try to subvert it, but not with the turks on to that, and they're very much on since that failed coup.
As for fantasies of fighting the turk in european capitals - that was never a thing that interested europeans much in the past few centuries, except to prevent others from moving in and seizing bits of it. And everyoe is now unable to move in. If Turkey got attacked where would we buy our washing machines from? And soon, our cars, steel, trains... oh and "non-russian" gas.
Don't forget Gladio. More than a little tied into NATO strategy. Want could be more liberal democratic than organizing old and neo nazis and fascists to coup elected governments?
(NATO is still doing it, btw)
The US can't win a war with a real country where they don't have a big faction they can bribe and manipulate. But to bribe a big faction is expensive, they must be goven real advantages, not just be allowed to pillage their fellow countrymen. Even the taliban eventually defeated "NATO". Iraq was the last biggish country the US and assorted poodles manged to actually defeat and teh second go at it was after years of further wreaking it through sanctions and bombings.
In recent years what they do is damage to deny territory to rivals. Not conquest/assimilation into the hegemony, they're unable to do that. Libya was destroyed because they succeeded in instigating civil war before, bribing several government members to move on Ghadaffi when he started making big business with the asians. Syria, civil war to wreck it. Ukraine, civil war to deny it as an area under the influence of a rival. Before that the Balkans, civil wars. The US may have some people who still daydream of world hegemony and expanding the "liberal empire" (the "new american century") but the "realists" there content themselves with spreading destruction to deny territory to, or cut into, challengers - a delaying tactic for a decadent hegemon.
There is no piece of Turkey that the US can successfully carve off. This sadly kind of "justifies" the ethnic cleansings the turks have been busy with since the 1910s - now they not vulnerable to be attacked using the current american toolbox. Which was copied from the overextended Britisk Empire toolbox of WW1 era, so the turks of the 1910s and after knew all about it.
Greeks should remember that being an ally of the US results in getting used up, wasted and dumped. Keep your weapons but make nice with Turkey and propose mutually advantageous deals to explore those hydrocarbons. Turkey will be getting much wealthier (and thus much better armed) than Greece anyway. If in need of balancing alliances, look regionally because no one else further will give a damn for Greece and Turkey. Turkey's neighbours are the ones with a real interest in keeping the peace in the region. Others are free of consequences of lighting fireworks there. So to avoid regional wars, rely on regional alliances. And if at all possible ally with the greatest threat to you.
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so , what went wrong ?
there were 4 founders of A-K-P .
one was respectable , would have been a perfect goverment official , only with a different ideology .
one was the 11th President , Congregation without much doubt , the most loyal subject of the late Elizabeth II , a joke about being close to the West ,
one was even closer to Congregation and a lot of rumours that his grandfather or whatever was among those who were hanged in the 1930 for beheading a reserve officer in an uprising about the arrival of the Mehdi ,
one was the PM . Who clearly cooperates efficiently until he can seize the stuff .
some people claim there is an 8% that still keeps the country afloat and working . This is no doubt a reference to educated lot , managerial lot in companies , doctors and engineers . As a sidenote the Turks will not be even 1% so, people gotta stop trying to depict that as Jews who hide or whatever ... Whatever referandum would have been won by New Turkey . They could have changed the name of the country into H.moland , that secure and powerful was their allure . It would have passed the vote and gladly accepted .
the very first one in the list . No longer in the A-K-P . Instead he is a MP of the Main Opposition . Not just political opportunism , but some sort of an Islamic obligation , for he knows there is going to be a backlash . You know , the third in the list is famous for saying the country was clearing its guts . Of the cr.p that was Kemalists . Which related to judges examining the secret Military documents . Which has led to claims that all the spies and stuff were named to foreign countries . The number of the killed , without any single proof , supposedly range between 100 to 800 .
and the nature of time itself , that everything gets old and weak .
every 15 year old girl who covers her head for Islamic modesty KNOWS the first one to draw a sword to defend the Party in the 2013 Gezi Events is a p.mp that specializes selling Moroccan beauty pageant winners .
it is the American fault to know the PM and still let him in .
there were 4 founders of A-K-P .
one was respectable , would have been a perfect goverment official , only with a different ideology .
one was the 11th President , Congregation without much doubt , the most loyal subject of the late Elizabeth II , a joke about being close to the West ,
one was even closer to Congregation and a lot of rumours that his grandfather or whatever was among those who were hanged in the 1930 for beheading a reserve officer in an uprising about the arrival of the Mehdi ,
one was the PM . Who clearly cooperates efficiently until he can seize the stuff .
some people claim there is an 8% that still keeps the country afloat and working . This is no doubt a reference to educated lot , managerial lot in companies , doctors and engineers . As a sidenote the Turks will not be even 1% so, people gotta stop trying to depict that as Jews who hide or whatever ... Whatever referandum would have been won by New Turkey . They could have changed the name of the country into H.moland , that secure and powerful was their allure . It would have passed the vote and gladly accepted .
the very first one in the list . No longer in the A-K-P . Instead he is a MP of the Main Opposition . Not just political opportunism , but some sort of an Islamic obligation , for he knows there is going to be a backlash . You know , the third in the list is famous for saying the country was clearing its guts . Of the cr.p that was Kemalists . Which related to judges examining the secret Military documents . Which has led to claims that all the spies and stuff were named to foreign countries . The number of the killed , without any single proof , supposedly range between 100 to 800 .
and the nature of time itself , that everything gets old and weak .
every 15 year old girl who covers her head for Islamic modesty KNOWS the first one to draw a sword to defend the Party in the 2013 Gezi Events is a p.mp that specializes selling Moroccan beauty pageant winners .
it is the American fault to know the PM and still let him in .
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the people are laughing at me again . Finally making it the right time to discuss the murder . Of a scholar in the middle of the day in the middle of Ankara . He was the very first among the overall directors of the cultural centers of the almost racists . Such a killing had not happened even before the 1980 coup , the oft quoted Anarchy period , 20 killed a day by the end for a total around 5000 .
it should have been simple . The almost racists would say it was a sad thing , that "May God Have Mercy on his soul" , some standart phrase for every deceased Muslim . They did not . It exploded in their faces .
you see , the interior affairs secretary of the palace cabinet is eagerly waiting for the Western verdict on the PM . If the latter falls , the secretary has some chance of becoming the top Blacksea coast politician if the mayor of Istanbul can not control his coveting of the same post for a little more . Accordingly he made some sort of a deal with or over Sedat Peker in the UAE .
angering the almost racists . You must understand the almost racists really resemble the political front of "Turkish Mafia" by now and the leadership had to make a choice between the two "Dons" . With exiled guy somehow making it to foreign countries with an endless stock of sex tapes . The almost racists stopped seeing the interior affairs secretary of the palace goverment .
it should have been a perfect hit . Congregation attacking the virtous almost racists with hiring Kurdish drug runners . Even if the murdered had fallen afoul of the leadership and his death followed almost 50 attacks and at least one death , supposedly arising from wealth to be pilfered from the port of Mersin . And the evil Congregation would then frame the almost racists with a claim that it was a political murder because the 38 year old father of two might have tried to replace the leader at the top .
except the Police , pushed on by the interior affairs secretary of the palace goverment , was too quick for the almost racist . And despite all the talk about being ready to do everything anytime and everytime , it did INDEED turn out that the almost racists were hiring drug running Kurds to do their fighting .
with everyday bringing up something worse . So , basically one of the shooters murdered a Leftist who was patrolling and demonstrating against their drug running efforts and was covered by blatant Police assistance . One of the organizers killed an high school student for some reason , got 25 years , served 20 months and was happily free and active in the party affairs as the appeals were grinding forward at the Constitutional Court . Two policemen transported the killer from Istanbul to Ankara ...
late at night here , so the last two posts will turn out to be three .
it should have been simple . The almost racists would say it was a sad thing , that "May God Have Mercy on his soul" , some standart phrase for every deceased Muslim . They did not . It exploded in their faces .
you see , the interior affairs secretary of the palace cabinet is eagerly waiting for the Western verdict on the PM . If the latter falls , the secretary has some chance of becoming the top Blacksea coast politician if the mayor of Istanbul can not control his coveting of the same post for a little more . Accordingly he made some sort of a deal with or over Sedat Peker in the UAE .
angering the almost racists . You must understand the almost racists really resemble the political front of "Turkish Mafia" by now and the leadership had to make a choice between the two "Dons" . With exiled guy somehow making it to foreign countries with an endless stock of sex tapes . The almost racists stopped seeing the interior affairs secretary of the palace goverment .
it should have been a perfect hit . Congregation attacking the virtous almost racists with hiring Kurdish drug runners . Even if the murdered had fallen afoul of the leadership and his death followed almost 50 attacks and at least one death , supposedly arising from wealth to be pilfered from the port of Mersin . And the evil Congregation would then frame the almost racists with a claim that it was a political murder because the 38 year old father of two might have tried to replace the leader at the top .
except the Police , pushed on by the interior affairs secretary of the palace goverment , was too quick for the almost racist . And despite all the talk about being ready to do everything anytime and everytime , it did INDEED turn out that the almost racists were hiring drug running Kurds to do their fighting .
with everyday bringing up something worse . So , basically one of the shooters murdered a Leftist who was patrolling and demonstrating against their drug running efforts and was covered by blatant Police assistance . One of the organizers killed an high school student for some reason , got 25 years , served 20 months and was happily free and active in the party affairs as the appeals were grinding forward at the Constitutional Court . Two policemen transported the killer from Istanbul to Ankara ...
late at night here , so the last two posts will turn out to be three .
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in the days that have passed , the Swedes are supposedly alarmed after demonstrators hanged a mannequin of the PM . Say it is a conspiracy against Sweden . Considering we are daily assured that Russians are idiots (with their Military being especially so) ı can't really understand why Sweden wants to join . But yes , no more expansion of NATO ever .
the interior affairs secretary of the palace cabinet in the news for his latest "operation" . Seems the number of trolls he employs have gone upto 8000 . From 6000 reported a few years back . Says they have defeated the seperatists entirely in the countryside . Says there were 7 on a mountain and 4 of them were just killed . With such power and stuff , it obviously makes a lie of the idea that he opposes certain people on a case by case basis . Unless it is a ploy to keep the fire simmering .
especially so , as the murder makes the big city nearby the epicenter of a possible earthquake . Mass resignations from the almost racists , a reported 50 000 at the funeral though ı remember internet rumours first reported 300 000 (?) . People were on "guard" by his grave , shifts of 4 or 5 people , 24 hours a day , at least until the beginning of the week .
made even more newsworthy as he was also a leading fan of the football club . Which was reportedly bankrupted in the usual A-K-P building schemes . Got a too big stadium to fill , with fans complaining as the motorized supporters of the PM came in their thousands in a multitude of buses and the fans could not enter the place on the opening night to watch the PM hit the ball for a while . "Wrong transfers of players" ruining the wallets and the downward spiral hides the bleeding of wealth , it is actually inevitable , too . If you don't have the money , you won't get the players to play . In transferring them from other teams and make them play on the field . And you won't get money if you don't get the players to play ...
supposedly the big city nearby could be the spark for a totally new kind of , kinda extremist Nationalist movement . Combined with the ease Syrians have it in the only one of the top 5 cities in the country to have voted for the A-K-P . Accordingly some mafia boss was evilly and cruelly attacked by Greece . Seems France placed reservations against him for some reason and the Greeks did not give him a visa . Naturally ı fail to understand . Like he can't find a tavern in this country to get utterly drunk before getting some woman delivered by the institution ? Oh wait , he can't , everybody and anybody are all heavily Muslims these days . And just as naturally there was a video of masked people in uniforms threatening Athens . Most likely Turkomans from Syria . Meant for the spark that might happen in the big city nearby ... If the city pulls guns on the almost racists , the almost racists will bring in AK-47 wielding militia . So , like it is yet another misunderstanding . The city will be protected by the Police against threats , almost racists as well if necessary . Because America badly needs people to fight in Russia and stuff , starting this summer and so on .
not an accident that it became widespread that ı have a Russian mistress that poisons me against the world during pillow talk and she is suddenly a fighter pilot . Commander , Death Squads is an old favourite and Lord Vader was declared as a Russian Marshall as well . Because you know , nobody expects the majority of the city NOT to know that Russians sell that rank in supermarkets . Everything gotta help or whatever ...
and while this already goes against the format of this specific thread of simple r16 sentences , people are encouraged to look for those who support the stuff with the mountain here . A national park for 62 years , it is to be no more . Treehuggers of course report the 4 months of snow have already gone down to 2 and more hotels on the summit will heat it up and there might be just one month of snow ... Look out for those both support the murdered guy and the opening of the mountain . They will be the ones to have sold something .
also be on the lookout for those who suggest it is a conquest of the Rightful and start using the Ottoman era name of the Monks' Mountain . Those will be the ones overjoyed when the Global Warming drives more Arabs here and some heroism drives the city youth to die in Russia . There has be some free space for Arabs , right ?
no , it wasn't "r16 sees a p.rnstar in the street IV" . Superficial similarity of the face and nothing more .
the interior affairs secretary of the palace cabinet in the news for his latest "operation" . Seems the number of trolls he employs have gone upto 8000 . From 6000 reported a few years back . Says they have defeated the seperatists entirely in the countryside . Says there were 7 on a mountain and 4 of them were just killed . With such power and stuff , it obviously makes a lie of the idea that he opposes certain people on a case by case basis . Unless it is a ploy to keep the fire simmering .
especially so , as the murder makes the big city nearby the epicenter of a possible earthquake . Mass resignations from the almost racists , a reported 50 000 at the funeral though ı remember internet rumours first reported 300 000 (?) . People were on "guard" by his grave , shifts of 4 or 5 people , 24 hours a day , at least until the beginning of the week .
made even more newsworthy as he was also a leading fan of the football club . Which was reportedly bankrupted in the usual A-K-P building schemes . Got a too big stadium to fill , with fans complaining as the motorized supporters of the PM came in their thousands in a multitude of buses and the fans could not enter the place on the opening night to watch the PM hit the ball for a while . "Wrong transfers of players" ruining the wallets and the downward spiral hides the bleeding of wealth , it is actually inevitable , too . If you don't have the money , you won't get the players to play . In transferring them from other teams and make them play on the field . And you won't get money if you don't get the players to play ...
supposedly the big city nearby could be the spark for a totally new kind of , kinda extremist Nationalist movement . Combined with the ease Syrians have it in the only one of the top 5 cities in the country to have voted for the A-K-P . Accordingly some mafia boss was evilly and cruelly attacked by Greece . Seems France placed reservations against him for some reason and the Greeks did not give him a visa . Naturally ı fail to understand . Like he can't find a tavern in this country to get utterly drunk before getting some woman delivered by the institution ? Oh wait , he can't , everybody and anybody are all heavily Muslims these days . And just as naturally there was a video of masked people in uniforms threatening Athens . Most likely Turkomans from Syria . Meant for the spark that might happen in the big city nearby ... If the city pulls guns on the almost racists , the almost racists will bring in AK-47 wielding militia . So , like it is yet another misunderstanding . The city will be protected by the Police against threats , almost racists as well if necessary . Because America badly needs people to fight in Russia and stuff , starting this summer and so on .
not an accident that it became widespread that ı have a Russian mistress that poisons me against the world during pillow talk and she is suddenly a fighter pilot . Commander , Death Squads is an old favourite and Lord Vader was declared as a Russian Marshall as well . Because you know , nobody expects the majority of the city NOT to know that Russians sell that rank in supermarkets . Everything gotta help or whatever ...
and while this already goes against the format of this specific thread of simple r16 sentences , people are encouraged to look for those who support the stuff with the mountain here . A national park for 62 years , it is to be no more . Treehuggers of course report the 4 months of snow have already gone down to 2 and more hotels on the summit will heat it up and there might be just one month of snow ... Look out for those both support the murdered guy and the opening of the mountain . They will be the ones to have sold something .
also be on the lookout for those who suggest it is a conquest of the Rightful and start using the Ottoman era name of the Monks' Mountain . Those will be the ones overjoyed when the Global Warming drives more Arabs here and some heroism drives the city youth to die in Russia . There has be some free space for Arabs , right ?
no , it wasn't "r16 sees a p.rnstar in the street IV" . Superficial similarity of the face and nothing more .
Joij21
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On the contrary! Now with Ukraine as our new allies, there will be many buisness opportunities through the reconstruction that will be necessary once the conflict is over. The Bosporus will be crucial to shipping in construction supplies, as well as the troops and other material to fully integrate them within NATO.
Joij21
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The Byzantine Empire is such a historical anachronism. They would have called themselves Romans at the time! However it is because of contested claims of "Romaness" from the Holy Roman Empire that many Western historians have shafted the last of the Eastern Romans and instead dubbed them "Byzantines" so as to give the Germans the better claim as to being "true Roman".
The fourth crusade also doesn't help in settling this intellectual rivalry.
Joij21
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I feel like a restored empire would be seen as intrinsically fascist due to certain individuals' recent attempts (particularly those of the early twentieth century). It's also revanchist and therefore could be interpreted as straightforward fascism. Doesn't help that many of the old symbols of the empire became co-opted by actual fascists as well.
I don't mind, personally. Constantinople sort of was the capital of the Greek world for 1100 years. Hard to think of (eg) a country of England without London in it ^^
Besides, I doubt having Constantinople would increase fascism.
And to tie this back to the thread's topic: only way I see it happening is if Turkey leaves nato.
Besides, I doubt having Constantinople would increase fascism.
And to tie this back to the thread's topic: only way I see it happening is if Turkey leaves nato.
Joij21
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Only through war could such an annexation be made. Therefore the Greeks would be accused of being intrinsically fascist for trying to drag the rest of NATO into a war against the Turks simply to fulfill their revanchist desires.
It is for this reason that Turkey will likely never leave NATO so long as Greece is a part of it as well. Also Turks do receive the better treatment from the rest of NATO due to owning the metallically rich Asia Minor, as well as strategically controlling the Bosporus. Most of NATO will not favor the Greeks jeopardizing these assets which we have so long as Turkey stays in. Therefore Greece will always be treated as the problematic runt going forward (not that Erdogan isn't problematic either, he just has better assets so he remains intrinsically more useful to the alliance as a whole).
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