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Why so extroverted?
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dusters
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I kinda want to point you to MBTI test - https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
and there you could compare all the extroverted types with introverted types. Both have cons and pros. Both have value in society.
and there you could compare all the extroverted types with introverted types. Both have cons and pros. Both have value in society.
bernie14
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If we are focusing on reproductive success, being with others surely increases your odds
bernie14
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Thing is, you are always alone, even when bubbling, you are alone...so the question becomes comfort level of external stimuli and why is that a positive
H4run
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A quote from @Kyriakos from the previous thread about depression.
This definition fascinates me because it explains many thing, people who get negative reinforcement from social interaction, suffers rejection from their love interest, suffers from inability on keeping a long and deep relationship, when they are unable to cope with all those affliction they will withdrawn themselves to avoid further pain. They may think their social withdrawal; or their staggering nervousness toward their gender of interest, it is just them getting more introvert, but failed to understand they are just licking their wounds.
It is also possible depression lead someone to become unusually more talkative and more self-esteem, like the extrovert side of you get a booster with natural amphetamine, and that is mania.
This definition fascinates me because it explains many thing, people who get negative reinforcement from social interaction, suffers rejection from their love interest, suffers from inability on keeping a long and deep relationship, when they are unable to cope with all those affliction they will withdrawn themselves to avoid further pain. They may think their social withdrawal; or their staggering nervousness toward their gender of interest, it is just them getting more introvert, but failed to understand they are just licking their wounds.
It is also possible depression lead someone to become unusually more talkative and more self-esteem, like the extrovert side of you get a booster with natural amphetamine, and that is mania.
bernie14
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Sure, but do they realize that their saliva is poisoned by pessimism? and withdrawal only limits (depresses) options further?
bernie14
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but the sacrifice of the soldier is intended to actually save the lives of others....while the depressed often rationalize that others will be better off if they end the suffering, that is usually not the case. There may be exceptions in terminal cases of course....
It is Kafka. You can be sure there are no others; he is always talking about himself, re himself. Both retreating army and individual soldier is him
H4run
Deity
so how can we understand the quotation? He covers his retreat to save himself while knowing by doing so he will blow himself to bits? Really sound like a fractal.
edit: I start to laugh at it, it is quite funny actually
Going by a number of other passages in the 800+ pages of his diary, it is mostly a schizoid form: part of him is covering so that the rest can avoid the horror. Kafka had great difficulty dealing with an undercurrent of wild and negative emotion which he generally only describes as "horror" (ie doesn't analyze it, at least not in the diaries).
He couldn't face it, so had to devise a lot of formations in his mental world to guard against it or its spread.
Another nice quote from his final years is "You are married to your husband, and i am married to (my) horror. Neither of us can be free" etc. (from a letter to Milena Jesenka).
H4run
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actually if we think depression and other psychological problem not solely as a problem, but also as a way a person copes with social affliction or from the greater psychological problem, your interpretation of Kafka's statement makes sense. The easiest example will be bipolar, a problem that a person creates in order to cope with a greater problem. Like a tourniquet.
I like to socialize but it’s hard for me to relax and open up to people and especially to approach people.
I think because when I was a really young child my mother was depressed a lot and my parents separated and my older sister was a lot older and didn’t want to spend a lot of time with a little kid. I didn’t know children in my neighborhood so I was alone most of the time.
My earliest memories are of sitting in a dim room with the sun beaming in an arc from the window and it always being silent.
I just got really used to that and it became difficult to break out of it.
I think because when I was a really young child my mother was depressed a lot and my parents separated and my older sister was a lot older and didn’t want to spend a lot of time with a little kid. I didn’t know children in my neighborhood so I was alone most of the time.
My earliest memories are of sitting in a dim room with the sun beaming in an arc from the window and it always being silent.
I just got really used to that and it became difficult to break out of it.
bernie14
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Can than signify on some level that the horror has to be faced at times in order to eventually escape from it...advantage, extroversionIt is Kafka. You can be sure there are no others; he is always talking about himself, re himself. Both retreating army and individual soldier is him
I am not sure. I think it doesn't, though, cause (at least going by the notes we have) he never really escaped it nor did he face it. Though it is worth noting that in the absolutely final diary notes (which are like 2-3 entries in the last two years!) he seems rather sunk in the netherworld. Iirc the final diary note is about him looking at a postcard and reflecting on the eyes of the (likely) old woman there looking at him frightened.
edit: in the case you meant as in whether he should have done something different: Well... going by the end result, yes ^_^ I doubt he could, though.
bernie14
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Considering a solution does not accomplish the result. And for that matter, that the solution would guarrantee positive results. However, it is generally considered a positive to (reasonably) "face your fears" Dont know how this relates to extroversion vs introversion but there are some people who rather "do something", risking making a situation worse, than to choose to do nothing at all. Control of oneself and ones environment comes to mind
Assuming Kafka had a schizoid personality (which isn't at all a stretch, imo), then it isn't to be taken for granted that he actually was more than mildly and indirectly aware of the actual emotional negative (horror) undercurrent. In various pieces he describes (in stories, i mean, not diary notes) the situation as that of a battle, eg in one a battle going on deep inside a forest; a battle he is nominally tied to but still cannot take part in. He mostly is aware of it because he discovers armour and other bits in the places engagements once took place.
H4run
Deity
That's from fear, a fight or flight reaction
bernie14
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Fight or flight ties in to "survival mode" and being in control, however.....could we say that "do something" in the face of fight or flight negates the option of doing nothing and thus diminishes our control by limiting our options....i guess it depends on the circumstance and individual judgment...
