Why the hate for the consoles?

[BaconLad]

These games are notable for their quality, but the gameplay is nothing that we haven't seen a thousand times. I played Okami all the way through and it was awsome because it had a great story and a great atmosphere, but gameplay wise, not very different from many things I have played on the pc in years past.

Here's the kind of thing that will never happen on consoles, which is why I'll always have a computer, and then get a console if I can find a good deal on one.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/

i chose to list these games specificly because of there GAMEPLAY.
games like these, especially little big planet hasnt been seen "a thousand times before"
if so, then where the hell are they???

there have since been similar gameplay styles, eg, "mgs/2/3/4" - "splinter cell series"

you could argue that god of war is just a hack and slash, but it's so fluid, and the whole scale feels huge, giant monsters, different concepts, it is pretty unique.

other than that, you would struggle to compare anything to the other games i mentioned earlier.

ive got no idea what this orc fortress thing is, but it doesnt look like anyhing special. maybe nice to play, but it looks like it was made 25 yrs ago... it cant be better than civ

 

[Civfan333]

I'm a gamer! I love all game systems!

Good for you! one problem, most people can only afford ONE console, so they HAVE to believe it's the best so they start the console flamewars because they want THEIRS to be the best.

 

[Sard]

Good for you! one problem, most people can only afford ONE console, so they HAVE to believe it's the best so they start the console flamewars because they want THEIRS to be the best.

Well, I don't own them all myself but I respect each one for what they are. All systems have good things to offer depending what you like. I can understand your explanation for the flamewars though, many people need to justify their own decisions.

 

[LordRahl]

Good for you! one problem, most people can only afford ONE console, so they HAVE to believe it's the best so they start the console flamewars because they want THEIRS to be the best.

There's more to that, because one console may be better than the other depending on a particular user. For me Blue-ray was the selling point. But if you don't care about HiDef movies, then there's that much less that PS3 has to offer for you. I was also never into First Person Shooters - but if somebody is into that kind of games, they have even more reasons to go for XBOX.

 

[LordRahl]

Here's the kind of thing that will never happen on consoles, which is why I'll always have a computer, and then get a console if I can find a good deal on one.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/

I used to play those games (NetHack anyone?), but quite frankly Oblivion on my console is a worthy replacement nowadays.

 

[warpstorm]

Dwarf Fortress is not in the same genre as Oblivion (although there is a scaled back mode that makes it like NetHack). The ASCII graphics are probably throwing you off. It is a city building (well, dwarven fortress building) game. The detail level in that game (DF) is utterly insane.

 

[Thrallia]

perhaps, but despite my claims about people judging games/systems by graphics...I can't play a game with ASCII graphics. I can play a game with no graphics, or I can play a game with real graphics...but that's it.

 

[LordRahl]

Dwarf Fortress is not in the same genre as Oblivion (although there is a scaled back mode that makes it like NetHack). The ASCII graphics are probably throwing you off. It is a city building (well, dwarven fortress building) game. The detail level in that game (DF) is utterly insane.

I'll stick to chess in that case. And to tell you the truth, if somebody comes up with web based version of that game, then you could still play it using your PS3...

 

[cephalo]

Dwarf Fortress is not in the same genre as Oblivion (although there is a scaled back mode that makes it like NetHack). The ASCII graphics are probably throwing you off. It is a city building (well, dwarven fortress building) game. The detail level in that game (DF) is utterly insane.

The thing about DF is that it is a labor of love, not.... labor. That's what you can get with computer games. Console games have to sell because there are shareholders involved that are absolutely against risk taking. With computer games you might get a thousand failed experiments along with one gem that changes everything.

Seven Cities of Gold, Sim City, Civilization, Wolfenstein 3D, Quake, Dune II, Ultima Online (actually Meridian59 was first but it was terrible).

Consoles can take an existing formula and improve on it, but doing so 5 years later is not 'cutting edge' in terms of gameplay.

 

[cephalo]

perhaps, but despite my claims about people judging games/systems by graphics...I can't play a game with ASCII graphics. I can play a game with no graphics, or I can play a game with real graphics...but that's it.

If you can find the patience to spend a whole evening with DF and it's klunky intereface, I bet it wouldn't be your last. You'd be amazed at how ASCII can become your reality.

 

[warpstorm]

You can replace the ASCII with little tiled graphics.

 

[Thrallia]

ascii could never become my life...I think ascii graphics are horrible....they are high on initiative and creativity...low on readability and on me caring about them.

 

[Civfan333]

I agree with Thrallia....

 

[cephalo]

I agree with Thrallia....

So you guys wanna talk about gameplay, and you won't even try a free game because of it's graphics? I'm not knocking you guys, I too was very skeptical at first.

ASCII may seem primitive, but it's taken to an art form here. One glance at the screen and you can tell whos thirsty, hungry, depressed, crazy... how the air smells, how deep the water is, what species of tree something is, anything you can imagine. In a communicative sense, it shows more detail than normal graphics. Once you get some familarity with the symbolism, you only notice the situation in all of it's depth, not the graphics.

I was very surprised by that myself.

 

[LordRahl]

Here's an example of a free, community created game, with great graphics:
http://www.wesnoth.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIt69vznegs

In this day an age, adding a nice user interface is not that hard, but greatly improves overall experience.

 

[kensington888]

i like everything.

 

[Civfan333]

So you guys wanna talk about gameplay, and you won't even try a free game because of it's graphics? I'm not knocking you guys, I too was very skeptical at first.

I don't care how weird the graphics are, besides, you can get free games even free MMORPG's that have GREAT graphics...it's just that kind of artform is just too weird for me...

 

[Jolly Rogerer]

Why the hate for consoles? Dumbed down games, and often dumbed down gamers clogging up game sites with inane questions rife with misspellings and no punctuation.

The reason consoles exist isn't piracy, it's about control. In this instance Microsoft and Sony's desire to control software and software development through hardware. This is a paradigm that Apple has been trying to establish unsuccessfully for decades. The PC has been a worthy opponent thus far, and I hope that it continues to keep its would-be masters at bay. If it falls to the inroads made by Apple and the consoles etc., you'll see exactly the same mediocrity and expense that characterize Microsoft's product line become the standard across the board.

 

[GVBN]

Consoles are good if you like crappy games and outdated technology

 

[azzaman333]

Personally, the only console I would not buy out of the Wii, 360 and PS3 is the PS3. Partially because I despise Sony's tactic of using their console to win the HD format war, and partially because I'm not a fan of RPGs which is the main drawcard of the PS3. Plus, the 360 is cheaper than the PS3 and they both share a large number of games with each other anyway, and the sixaxis is a chunkier PS2 controller with a useless motion-sensor (which I find incredibly uncomfortable).