Will technology accomplish what the GOP could not?

So no cogent argument, then. Thanks for the clarification.
It's right there in the thread title for people that care to expend the energy to read: Will technology accomplish what the GOP could not? I didn't start the thread to start an argument but to ask if the problems of the roll out will force something the GOP could not (a delay in the individual mandate).
 
It's right there in the thread title for people that care to expend the energy to read: Will technology accomplish what the GOP could not? I didn't start the thread to start an argument but to ask if the problems of the roll out will force something the GOP could not (a delay in the individual mandate).

The cogent argument I am referring to is how this unnamed official who claims nobody outside the campaign personnel apparently built and tested the website due to fear of being subpenaed, according to the earlier story you posted, squares with the 50+ contractors that have actually worked on it, according to the other quote you posted (which, oddly enough, was posted in response to the same claim you made a few days ago).
 
I brought that up merely as a counterpoint to your complaint that the campaign tech team wasn't involved. They were. What argument was there to be had? You were wrong.

Surely you can see the inconsistency between the two posts, right?
 
Surely you can see the inconsistency between the two posts, right?
Both posts aren't mine. I quoted them both since you might have missed them given that they are on the 1st page and all. They both however serve to drive home the point that the campaign tech team was involved despite your claim to the contrary.
 
But they are completely contradictory. In one case, the excerpt posted implied the website was the sole product of the Obama campaign team. In the other case, one former campaign official (not OfA or any of the official organs) founded a media company (Teal Media) that did not receive the main contract--they were responsible for the paint and not the guts according to the link. CGI Federal did receive the main contract, a Canadian company with no established link to the Obama campaign in the posts you cited, and Quality Software Services is apparently the source of the problematic backend data hub, which is not connected to the Obama campaign through your cited posts.

EDIT: You seem to refer to my "claim" where I have made none--I have passed along information heard, I am not claiming veracity.
 
EDIT: You seem to refer to my "claim" where I have made none--I have passed along information heard, I am not claiming veracity.
I heard that Obama was a secret Muslim agent of the Chinese government. I haven't been able to find any confirmation of that however. Just passing it along. :rolleyes:
 
I heard that Obama was a secret Muslim agent of the Chinese government. I haven't been able to find any confirmation of that however. Just passing it along. :rolleyes:

Okay, so maybe that wasn't the best way to express an idea and I should have waited. But do you have anything to respond to the rest of the post? Let's pretend for a moment that I am holding that position to the death irrelevant of what I read. If I don't have a leg to stand on, your two are broken from kicking themselves.
 
Okay, so maybe that wasn't the best way to express an idea and I should have waited. But do you have anything to respond to the rest of the post? Let's pretend for a moment that I am holding that position to the death irrelevant of what I read. If I don't have a leg to stand on, your two are broken from kicking themselves.
My point in this thread is still essentially this:
It's right there in the thread title for people that care to expend the energy to read: Will technology accomplish what the GOP could not? I didn't start the thread to start an argument but to ask if the problems of the roll out will force something the GOP could not (a delay in the individual mandate).
We can also debate the question of this causing more problems than it solves for the law as well. WRT the 1st issue: The recent breaks in the ranks of the DNC seem to be pointing toward the fact a delay of some sort being inevitable if only from a political perspective if the problems continue to persist as long as evidence indicates. The second question seems to be a more open issue at the moment.
 
Looks like the mystery will never be solved. :(
I'm not householder, Antilogic. I can't be responsible if his posts contradict mine. I was merely trying to relieve you the ignorance expressed by the rumor you were passing along. I at least had a source for mine. :p
 
So, truth doesn't matter, so long as you can post that you "won"? And if your rumor has a link, it's automatically better?
 
So, truth doesn't matter, so long as you can post that you "won"?
The truth is that the rumor you were passing along was wrong. I was correcting the record. The campaign tech team was not forbidden from involvement and a contract was given to one of them. Why that snowballed into this I don't know.
And if your rumor has a link, it's automatically better?
Credible sources > no sources or some random dude you saw on the street.
 
The truth is that the rumor you were passing along was wrong. I was correcting the record. The campaign tech team was not forbidden from involvement and a contract was given to one of them. Why that snowballed into this I don't know.Credible sources > no sources or some random dude you saw on the street.

But your credible source was incredibly wrong, perhaps even more so. And that's never been explained in all of these back-and-forth posts.

Instead, it seems like you have been quote-mining for a good gotcha, finally latched on to one that you think works, and are calling it over. In real terms, nothing has been explained about the discrepancies in this anonymous source's account, the real role of the campaign personnel (i.e. what has Teal Media actually done), etc.

So, as I said, looks like the mystery isn't going to be solved. And here I was, all looking forward to scooby-dooing it.
 
Sorry if it has already been mentioned in this thread. But I was thinking today that the democrats intentionally forced a bad roll out of Obama care so they have momentum to scrap all health care as it currently exists in the U.S. and move towards a Canadian or U.K. system.

I know that is unlikely, and just a conspiracy theory. They don't have the political capital to accomplish that. But when democrats take the house in 2014, who knows.

But I am serious that I find it hard to believe the government could have unintentionally screwed this up this bad when they had so much time and money to prepare. Yes I know the government is bad, but this bad?
 
Sorry if it has already been mentioned in this thread. But I was thinking today that the democrats intentionally forced a bad roll out of Obama care so they have momentum to scrap all health care as it currently exists in the U.S. and move towards a Canadian or U.K. system.
Why would they want the 1st bite at the apple to fail this badly? Do you think the public would actually support an increase in governmental control if this attempt fails?
 
Yes I know the government is bad, but this bad?

So the government is bad because it contracted out the website development to a private company and private contractors ?

Next you will be telling me about the US Air-forces new jet fighter being privately developed by a private contractor being an Epic Fail, or the new US Navy's new warships being massive huge Fails.

I know you expect this from private US contractors, But OBAMA :mad:

:lol:
 
So the government is bad because it contracted out the website development to a private company and private contractors ?

Next you will be telling me about the US Air-forces new jet fighter being privately developed by a private contractor being an Epic Fail, or the new US Navy's new warships being massive huge Fails.

I know you expect this from private US contractors, But OBAMA :mad:

:lol:

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic. The newest jet fighter is a fail (in some ways), and the new littoral combat ship is also a fail.

As much as I love capitalism, it is a fail lately because they know they can shovel out any kind of substandard crap towards the government, and they'll still get paid. It's the governments fault for accepting substandard work. We as consumers would never accept that. It's why I no longer buy GM cars.
 
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