Will technology accomplish what the GOP could not?

[DinoDoc]

There's a way insurance can work, and a way it can't. Men should pay an equal amount for pregnancy and birth control cost mitigation as women, just as women should pay an equal amount for covering prostate cancer and heart disease.

If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

 

[JollyRoger]

His words, verbatim:

So let me begin by saying this: I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage – they like their plan and they value their relationship with their doctor. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

Shockingly, this seems to have been a bald faced lie to the American people and its enjoyable watching people such as yourself try to spin it as anything other than that.

His words with a mere extra paragraph of context:

We know the moment is right for health care reform. We know this is an historic opportunity we've never seen before and may not see again. But we also know that there are those who will try and scuttle this opportunity no matter what - who will use the same scare tactics and fear-mongering that's worked in the past. They'll give dire warnings about socialized medicine and government takeovers; long lines and rationed care; decisions made by bureaucrats and not doctors. We've heard it all before - and because these fear tactics have worked, things have kept getting worse.

So let me begin by saying this: I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage - they like their plan and they value their relationship with their doctor. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health care reform should be guided by a simple principle: fix what's broken and build on what works

 

[Antilogic]

I'd object if people were being pressured into upgrading into a gold-plated rent-seeking exercise

That's exactly what the insurance companies are doing and it has been regular practice in the industry for years.

 

[El_Machinae]

I gave you an example of one of the people in question in post 173.

It honestly doesn't pass the sniff test. He has an amazing plan that his provider cannot make ACA compliant? How could that possibly be true? Now, if he had a crummy plan, and didn't want a better plan (for more $), then you can intuitively see how that could be true. But an amazing plan? Seriously, my spidey-sense is tingling. Even an amazing plan being expensively upgraded (aka., made 'compliant') is more real-world likely.

 

[DinoDoc]

I'm not seeing what in the additional context mitigates: If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. Perhaps you could bold it for me.

 

[DinoDoc]

It honestly doesn't pass the sniff test. He has an amazing plan that his provider cannot make ACA compliant? How could that possibly be true? Now, if he had a crummy plan, and didn't want a better plan (for more $), then you can intuitively see how that could be true. But an amazing plan? Seriously, my spidey-sense is tingling. Even an amazing plan being expensively upgraded (aka., made 'compliant') is more real-world likely.

Such plans if they are changed in anyway have to be cancelled according to the law as it stands now.

 

[JollyRoger]

I notice that guy did not provide much in the way of detail of why it got cancelled.

 

[DinoDoc]

I notice that guy did not provide much in the way of detail of why it got cancelled.

I assume his policy didn't have maternity or drug treatment coverage. Two essential benefits under Obamacare.

 

[JollyRoger]

I'm not seeing what in the additional context mitigates: If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. Perhaps you could bold it for me.

I said it was imprecisely worded. In context, it was a counter to the notion that Obamacare, if passed, was going to be socialized medicine with no choice of doctor or insurer.

Your boy in post 173 can still sign on with BCBS and get a plan similar to what he had. Obama didn't say the insurer was going to keep the price the same.

 

[JollyRoger]

I assume his policy didn't have maternity or drug treatment coverage. Two essential benefits under Obamacare.

Perhaps, but the guy didn't make it clear. Those may not be the only reasons either.

 

[Kaitzilla]

From 1961
I think.

Link to video.

4 more years!

 

[El_Machinae]

Such plans if they are changed in anyway have to be cancelled according to the law as it stands now.

Yeah, but (charitably) it'd just effectively be a case of swapping the title of your plan without swapping the actual details of the plan. I mean, it continues to make Obama's statement factually incorrect, but it would defang any legit criticism. The response would be 'ehn'. Like I said, the legitimate complaint, where the anger should be honored, is if there's enforced goldplating. After that, it's a question of how much you want to whine.

Your example honestly doesn't pass the sniff test; I hope you can understand why I think that.

 

[Cutlass]

From 1961
I think.

Link to video.

4 more years!

So Reagan always wanted to bankrupt American and destroy the economy and future? Makes his whole time it office make much more sense.

 

[Borachio]

Ronald Reagan speaks in favour of the right to drop dead from a treatable disease: infinitely preferable to living under socialism.

 

[RobAnybody]

I'm not the one that spent three years lying to the American people by telling them that if they liked the plan they had they could keep it. Period.

Mr. President, I Like My Health Insurance. I’d Like to Keep It. Can You Please Help Me Out?

There's literally no way that article is true. First, the guy doesn't tell us what his benefits are. That's incredibly suspicious. But he does say "Right now I have “Cadillac” health insurance."

Which means he has great benefits. Which means it meets the minimum standards, clearly. The only plans being cancelled are ones that don't meet the minimums standards.

And, as I've mentioned before, Obama's statement was true when he said it. Whatever plan people were on in March, 2010, they could keep for as long as they like. Their plans are Grandfathered. We have hundreds of groups & thousands of members on Grandfathered plans that they can keep for as long as they like.

What he didn't promise was that if you switched off your plan that you had in March, 2010, that you'd be able to keep that new plan. If you like your plan, you can keep it. Even crappy plans if you wanted to. If you changed plans, well, you clearly didn't like your plan, & no one promised you could keep the new one. Anyone who changed plans after March, 2010 is not Grandfathered & so is subject to having their plan cancelled for not meeting the minimum standards.

"I can access every provider in the national Blue Cross network––about every doc and hospital in America––without a referral and without higher deductibles and co-pays." Everyone has that. What does he think a network is? This guy has no idea what he's even talking about.

 

[Rashiminos]

So Reagan always wanted to bankrupt American and destroy the economy and future? Makes his whole time it office make much more sense.

I think you're crediting 60s Reagan with forethought that he did not actually possess.

 

[Kaitzilla]

His words, verbatim:

So let me begin by saying this: I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage – they like their plan and they value their relationship with their doctor. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

Shockingly, this seems to have been a bald faced lie to the American people and its enjoyable watching people such as yourself try to spin it as anything other than that.

Don't worry DinoDoc.
Everyone will know what's what when insurers have to set their rates for the next enrollment period starting up again next October. That means rates for 2015 will be set sometime in April 2014.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ins...e-rate-shock-if-obamacare-enrollment-extended


As for people getting their current plan canceled, we shall see.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/#

But Carney’s dismissal of the media’s concerns was wrong, on several fronts. Contrary to the reporting of NBC, the administration’s commentary in the Federal Register did not only refer to the individual market, but also the market for employer-sponsored health insurance.

Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and become illegal, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market. (Plans purchased after March 23, 2010 do not benefit from the “grandfather” clause.) The real turnover rate would be higher, because plans can lose their grandfather status for a number of other reasons.

How many people are exposed to these problems? 60 percent of Americans have private-sector health insurance—precisely the number that Jay Carney dismissed. As to the number of people facing cancellations, 51 percent of the employer-based market plus 53.5 percent of the non-group market (the middle of the administration’s range) amounts to 93 million Americans.

 

[Cutlass]

I think you're crediting 60s Reagan with forethought that he did not actually possess.

He never had 'thought', fore or otherwise.

 

[DinoDoc]

This made me laugh:

https://twitter.com/memphisdaily/status/396375443294523392/photo/1

 

[sophie]

She was pretty clearly handed that for this gotcha picture.