Windows 8

[Mise]

I click the buttons pinned to the task bar. There are 8-12 of them, depending on whether I'm on my work computer, home desktop, or laptop.

Clicking 30 icons on your desktop sounds disgusting. I'd hate to have a computer with 30 icons on my desktop that I regularly had to click on. Minimising all those windows every time must be a pain in the arse.

 

[Iranon]

The start screen is a more natural, erm, start screen than the desktop. Complaining about a default that's sensible in itself is like complaining that the wallpaper isn't to your tastes.

A more legitimate complaint would be insufficient or overcomplicated configuration options (which applies to pretty much every modern interface).
It should be straightforward to run whatever you want on startup... like the desktop if you wish (bonus points if we can do it smoothly without artifacts).

 

[sophie]

Desktop icons are disgusting. If you care about the 30 icons on your desktop then you are using your computer sub-optimally. I haven't double clicked a desktop icon in literally years.

Likewise. Everything I need to access is either on my start bar or task bar.

 

[Zelig]

Gee, so I wonder why then Windows 8 doesn't boot the the desktop by default.

After all, the desktop seems to be the solution to all the Windows 8 woes.

I wonder why Windows doesn't use the 24hr clock by default.

If you have several programs you often use, there is nothing faster than just double clicking an icon. How is that sub-optimal use? Double click an icon is faster than search or type in a program name.

I know computer geeks like to launch things from the taskbar or type a program name, but its not any more efficient than double clicking a desktop icon. Your "sub-optimal" argument is total BS.

Not being able to stuff that many icons without taking up an entire screen by itself makes the new UI suck. Most desktop users who defend the new Win 8 UI even concede that they spend 95% of the time in desktop which means that no one actually really uses the new UI to any extent. If it really was any better, they wouldn't be spending the vast majority of their time in the old desktop view. There's no reason it doesn't default to desktop mode for desktops and laptops.



There no reason why is doesn't boot into this as default and have the new UI as an option instead of the other way around when most people are going to just use this anyways. It actually pretty stupid not to unless there's a more insidious purpose -- like trying to shove a UI that will make us more dependent on their APP store.

So your entire argument is "I'm to lazy to push enter once a month when my computer boots, or spending two minutes to set up the computer to boot to the desktop so that I don't have to learn anything new."

 

[Archbob]

I wonder why Windows doesn't use the 24hr clock by default.

Because no one outside the military uses the 24 hour clock. Most people, even power users, spend most of their time in the desktop UI in windows 8. It should default to the one people use most of the time. Your comparison is plain stupid.

The new UI isn't better than the old one. Even the people who tout that its great disprove their point by spending most of the time in the old UI. There's no reason why it doesn't just default to desktop.

Most arguments for the new UI from the people who like it sound something like this "I think the Windows 8 interface is better than the old Desktop interface but I spend 90-95% of my time using the the desktop interface". Yeah, that sounds really convincing that the new UI is "good".

 

[Zelig]

The screensaver isn't optimally configured to start.

 

[bhsup]

Here is the best solution for dealing with metro.

• Click on Desktop
• Run IE from your desktop (because the app variant from metro sucks compared to traditional IE found on desktop)
• Go to http://http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/
• Download and install
• Configure to your hearts desire and preference
• Tell metro to kiss your butt goodbye.

I really cannot figure out why they have a different IE running from Metro. It's dumbed down and just not as usable as the real IE available on the desktop. That said, I actually like the weather app on metro, but since I am never in Metro I never use it. Too bad they don't offer a sidebar alternate anymore for people who prefer that.

 

[Archbob]

Here is the best solution for dealing with metro.

• Click on Desktop
• Run IE from your desktop (because the app variant from metro sucks compared to traditional IE found on desktop)
• Go to http://http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/
• Download and install
• Configure to your hearts desire and preference
• Tell metro to kiss your butt goodbye.

I really cannot figure out why they have a different IE running from Metro. It's dumbed down and just not as usable as the real IE available on the desktop. That said, I actually like the weather app on metro, but since I am never in Metro I never use it. Too bad they don't offer a sidebar alternate anymore for people who prefer that.

So basically from this and other posts like it MS made a crappy UI with a crippled IE and forced users to take steps to ditch this piece of crap and good the old stuff back. Seems like a smart way to do things for Microsoft.

 

[Zack]

If Windows 8 is truly so awful, then just go back to Windows 7 and stop filling this thread with your incessant repetitive whining. Please.

 

[Zelig]

Metro IE is for touchscreens.

It doesn't boot to Metro by default.

MS obviously expects you to use the desktop, their flagship Office software is desktop-only.

 

[Archbob]

Metro IE is for touchscreens.

It doesn't boot to Metro by default.

MS obviously expects you to use the desktop, their flagship Office software is desktop-only.

You keep saying this even though everyone except you, even on MS forums, admits that the default boot is to the new Interface. The default boot is clearly design for the touch screen. Keep everything else, scrap the interface and the crippled version of IE that comes with it and you've got a solid OS that won't flop.

When you launch the default IE on Win 8, it launches the crippled version of IE, not the desktop version, you can stop pretending it doesn't.

 

[Zack]

You keep saying this even though everyone except you, even on MS forums, admits that the default boot is to the new Interface. The default boot is clearly design for the touch screen. Keep everything else, scrap the interface and the crippled version of IE that comes with it and you've got a solid OS that won't flop.

When you launch the default IE on Win 8, it launches the crippled version of IE, not the desktop version, you can stop pretending it doesn't.

Huh? When have I ever said that? In fact, I said I would not even consider using Windows 8 on a computer without a touch screen.

And I'm still on Windows 7, which is why I want to see people discussing Windows 8 beyond "I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER "

 

[Archbob]

Huh? When have I ever said that? In fact, I said I would not even consider using Windows 8 on a computer without a touch screen.

And I'm still on Windows 7, which is why I want to see people discussing Windows 8 beyond "I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER "

I wasn't talking to you, I was addressing Zelig and his constantly claims that Win 8 doesn't defaultly boot to Metro when everyone else acknowledges it does. Every application runs in the New mode by default including IE. I don't see how its not booting into the new mode.

 

[Zack]

I wasn't talking to you, I was addressing Zelig and his constantly claims that Win 8 doesn't defaultly boot to Metro when everyone else acknowledges it does. Every application runs in the New mode by default including IE. I don't see how its not booting into the new mode.

Methinks you did a ninja-edit to change the quote.

 

[Archbob]

Methinks you did a ninja-edit to change the quote.

Nope, you don't really have anything I want to quote.

 

[Zack]

Which was the source of my confusion, and why you changed the quote.

 

[Archbob]

Which was the source of my confusion, and why you changed the quote.

Except I didn't change the quote, I've always quoted Zelig's posts.

 

[Zelig]

I wasn't talking to you, I was addressing Zelig and his constantly claims that Win 8 doesn't defaultly boot to Metro when everyone else acknowledges it does. Every application runs in the New mode by default including IE. I don't see how its not booting into the new mode.

The start screen isn't a Metro app.

Lots of the default MS desktop apps suck.

 

[Archbob]

The start screen isn't a Metro app.

Lots of the default MS desktop apps suck.

Zelig, even Microsoft itself referrers to the default IE browser as "IE 8 Metro". Almost everyone(including Microsoft) refers to the default UI as "Metro". You can stop pretending now.

 

[Iranon]

FAL: Of course the Metro version of IE is a Metro app.

The start screen and the charms aren't specific to Metro or the Desktop. If you want to argue they feel at home in Metro and out of place on the desktop, I don't disagree entirely.