Windows 8

[bhsup]

Let us please stop with the attempts to deny the new start screen isn't "Metro". It's clearly the Metro UI. Unless you want to claim it isn't Metro because of that German grocery store chain whining about the name, but that's quite a nitpick.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...s-attempts-to-revamp-the-desktop-failed/14858

 

[Archbob]

FAL: Of course the Metro version of IE is a Metro app.

See the default applications pretty much run in metro mode. I don't know how you can deny that the default boot isn't metro. The Metro versions of apps are the defaults and the UI is clearly Metro.

 

[Antilogic]

As I've explained in one of these threads a few days ago, the start screen doesn't behave like metro in any meaningful way, it works just like a big start menu.

You can use the task scheduler to set a task to show the desktop on login.

You can set the desktop as the first tile, then hitting enter will bring you to the desktop.

You shouldn't need to turn your laptop off very often anyway, sleep mode works very well with modern hardware and software.

Thanks for the hint. I'll look into that at some point.

To clarify my position here a little, I kind of wanted Windows 7 since I saw my parents' new setup. I'm not fully opposed to 8; I didn't know much about it until after the purchase, kind of a research-fail on my side. Haven't quite gotten over the learning curve yet.

You can pin desktop IE to the start screen.

So let me get this straight... desktop IE is not the same as Metro UI/start screen IE?

Can't wait to get Chrome or Firefox installed now.

Personally, I'm baffled why anyone would buy a new Windows 8 laptop that didn't have a touch screen. In that case, why not just upgrade your current computer? Or simply stick with Windows 7?

Money. That, and I don't like touching my screen because it gets dirty and finger-printed.

 

[Zack]

You can get a touch-screen laptop for fairly cheap.

 

[bhsup]

So let me get this straight... desktop IE is not the same as Metro UI/start screen IE?

Can't wait to get Chrome or Firefox installed now.

The two images below are snapshots I just took of IE if you start it from the Metro UI (aka start screen) instead of from the desktop. The second one is after right clicking to make the tabs menu appear. Yes, that huge black bar across the top are the tabs that are only visible after a deliberate action to make them so. Oh, and as is the case with all metro apps, you cannot resize it to take up just a portion of your screen. It's either all or nothing.

That said, while you should obviously do what you want with regard to browsers, I run IE from desktop and have no need for Chrome or Firefox. Admuncher Pro + IE 10 = WIN.

 

[Zelig]

Zelig, even Microsoft itself referrers to the default IE browser as "IE 8 Metro". Almost everyone(including Microsoft) refers to the default UI as "Metro". You can stop pretending now.

The start screen clearly doesn't behave like a Metro app, it behaves exactly like a big start menu.

Hell, the desktop behaves more like a Metro app than the start screen does.

So let me get this straight... desktop IE is not the same as Metro UI/start screen IE?

I don't see the problem?

Use desktop IE on a desktop, use Metro IE on a tablet.

Oh, and as is the case with all metro apps, you cannot resize it to take up just a portion of your screen. It's either all or nothing.

Well that's not really true - it's not competitive with the desktop UI for desktop use, but you can resize Metro apps to take 320px on the side, or your screen width minus 320px.

 

[bhsup]

Ah. Well I happily stand corrected on that point. Thanks for the info

 

[Archbob]

I don't see the problem?

Use desktop IE on a desktop, use Metro IE on a tablet.

Except the default IE even when your running on a desktop machine is the Metro IE, which is stupid and doesn't make sense.

The start screen clearly doesn't behave like a Metro app, it behaves exactly like a big start menu.

See, when you launch Native win 8 apps that have both modes on them on a desktop computer, by default, it launches the Crippled Metro version and not the desktop version as displayed with IE. That just MS trying to push Metro on people, which is ********.

 

[Antilogic]

I don't see the problem?

Use desktop IE on a desktop, use Metro IE on a tablet.

Sorry, my question wasn't clear. I have a new laptop, not a tablet. I know the intro start screen looks like Metro but it isn't.

Question is, do I have 1 or 2 versions of IE? Is the IE launched from the Metro-esque start screen the same as the one that is launched from the traditional-looking desktop?

 

[Archbob]

Question is, do I have 1 or 2 versions of IE? Is the IE launched from the Metro-esque start screen the same as the one that is launched from the traditional-looking desktop?

No, its not the same one. The one launched from the default start screen is the crippled RT version of IE. Switch to desktop view for things to actually work right and just ignore the new UI.

 

[Zelig]

Except the default IE even when your running on a desktop machine is the Metro IE, which is stupid and doesn't make sense.



See, when you launch Native win 8 apps that have both modes on them on a desktop computer, by default, it launches the Crippled Metro version and not the desktop version as displayed with IE. That just MS trying to push Metro on people, which is ********.

I don't like the default wallpaper.

Sorry, my question wasn't clear. I have a new laptop, not a tablet. I know the intro start screen looks like Metro but it isn't.

Question is, do I have 1 or 2 versions of IE? Is the IE launched from the Metro-esque start screen the same as the one that is launched from the traditional-looking desktop?

There are two versions of IE. You can launch either the Metro or desktop IE from the start screen, or from the desktop.

 

[bhsup]

Question is, do I have 1 or 2 versions of IE? Is the IE launched from the Metro-esque start screen the same as the one that is launched from the traditional-looking desktop?

Look at my previous post with the images. Those are from the Metro-IE. Desktop IE 10 is the good ol' IE you know and love from the past. Just improved to 10

The rendering engine is surely still the same, but it has a totally different UI.

 

[Antilogic]

There are two versions of IE. You can launch either the Metro or desktop IE from the start screen, or from the desktop.

The Picard facepalm still feels appropriate. What kind of design decision was made to incorporate two programs with the same name but and similar but slightly different functionality on the same machine?

Don't have the machine in front of me now, are they actually called the same thing or is the labeling more clear than it sounds like it is?

 

[Archbob]

I don't like the default wallpaper.

Your just drawing strawman's now. Wallpaper is irrelevent to this discussion. Also, there's not like a wallpaper that 95%+ would feel is "the wallpaper". Why the hell would anyone want to defaultly run the crippled metro version of apps when they are on a desktop environment. Its just extra hassle. Almost everyone who uses Win 8 switches to desktop when they actually run apps. NO ONE WANTS TO RUN THE METRO VERSION OF APPS ON DESKTOP WHEN THERE 2 VERSION AVAIABLE, yet the one that launches by default is the one that no one wants to use. How much sense does that make? Why have that be the default? There's no defense for it.

I think everyone except for you thinks is a ******** design decision.

 

[Iranon]

See the default applications pretty much run in metro mode. I don't know how you can deny that the default boot isn't metro. The Metro versions of apps are the defaults and the UI is clearly Metro.

Microsoft definitely emphasises the Metro part of the combo. Annoying some desktop customers to the point of ranting doesn't lose them money. Drawing people to the Windows store or mobile Windows makes them money.

Considering how much crapware Windows computers tend to come with, default state is going to suck for most users anyway; having Metro apps by default is fairly benign in comparison.
Personally, I care little about default state and much about whether I can adjust things to my preferences easily.

 

[Zelig]

Your just drawing strawman's now. Wallpaper is irrelevent to this discussion. Also, there's not like a wallpaper that 95%+ would feel is "the wallpaper". Why the hell would anyone want to defaultly run the crippled metro version of apps when they are on a desktop environment. Its just extra hassle. Almost everyone who uses Win 8 switches to desktop when they actually run apps. NO ONE WANTS TO RUN THE METRO VERSION OF APPS ON DESKTOP WHEN THERE 2 VERSION AVAIABLE, yet the one that launches by default is the one that no one wants to use. How much sense does that make? Why have that be the default? There's no defense for it.

I think everyone except for you thinks is a ******** design decision.

It's not a strawman, your only complaint about Windows 8 is a default setting that's as much work to change as swapping wallpapers.

You're the one using strawmen, I've have not once in this thread supported a single Metro app, yet you keep ranting about them in every one of your posts.

If you think everyone agrees with you, and that I'm alone, you seriously need to check your confirmation bias.

 

[Archbob]

It's not a strawman, your only complaint about Windows 8 is a default setting that's as much work to change as swapping wallpapers.

You're the one using strawmen, I've have not once in this thread supported a single Metro app, yet you keep ranting about them in every one of your posts.

No one complains about the wallpaper, whenever they switch OS, I've never heard any complaints about a bad wallpaper because most wallpapers are fine, it doesn't make a difference. The UI does actually make a large difference. I've read several reviews sites and all of them say the same thing. Keep the upgrades, ditch the UI.
Windows 8 default UI is basically a bunch of apps that most users advise you to ignore and run the old UI.

Yes, because it makes so much sense to launch the crippled version of IE on desktop by default when a full version is right there. Do you not realize how stupid that is?

 

[Zelig]

I'm complaining about the default wallpaper, it's as legitimate a complaint as whether you boot with the start screen by default (which isn't a Metro app) open.

 

[Archbob]

I'm complaining about the default wallpaper, it's as legitimate a complaint as whether you boot with the start screen by default (which isn't a Metro app) open.

Your the only one then. There's a massive number of people who don't like the new UI and the few that do even use the desktop view(old UI) most of the time so there's no logical sense it default booting into the new UI.

There's no way you can defend this as a good design decision by Microsoft.

 

[Zelig]

I'm glad to see you still failed to come up with a single actual problem with booting to the start screen by default.