Wolf Blitzer vs. Michael Moore

[The Yankee]

Thanks for the heads up. I totally should've skipped Calculus for this.

Every excuse to skip Calculus (I'm assuming it's online?) is a good excuse.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Thanks for the heads up. I totally should've skipped Calculus for this.

Well, I don't think the debate was good enough to deserve skipping school....

 

[Godwynn]

Every excuse to skip Calculus (I'm assuming it's online?) is a good excuse.

I would totally bomb if it was online. Well, I am bombing now too, but thank god for the curve.

 

[The Yankee]

I would totally bomb if it was online. Well, I am bombing now too, but thank god for the curve.

I received a C for the spring online course. Even Larry King would be more appealing.

 

[emzie]

Also, American's may go to Canada for drugs, but they don't go there for treatment. Canadian's come here for treatment.

Not true.

http://www.amsa.org/studytours/WaitingTimes_primer.pdf

• From 1994 to 1998, 2031 Canadians were admitted to hospitals in Michigan, 1,689 to hospitals in New York, and 825 to hospitals in Washington. During this period, these hospitalizations represented only 0.23% of the hospitalizations that occurred in the provinces bordering these states.*

• Finally, responses from eleven of America's Best Hospitals generally indicated that the number of patients seen at the hospitals was low.

Katz also drew upon several Canadian sources of data for the study:
• Federal and provincial government surveys of the citizenry. Only 90 of 18,000 respondents to the 1996 Canadian National Population Health Survey indicated they had received health care in America in the past year, and only 20 of these had gone to the U.S. specifically for that purpose.

*BC, Ontario and Quebec.

20 of 18,000 isn't a lot.

Oh and if Ontario weren't a three hour drive for me, I'd go back for my doctor appointments. Alas with gas prices, it's cheaper to stay in Ohio.

 

[skadistic]

Moore is looking like a joke and getting schooled by a DR. This guy loses all credibility when he keeps saying it free. Also the huffing and puffing like a child who isn't getting his way and trying to cut off the Dr. is not good arguing.

 

[Godwynn]

Moore is looking like a joke and getting schooled by a DR. This guy loses all credibility when he keeps saying it free. Also the huffing and puffing like a child who isn't getting his way and trying to cut off the Dr. is not good arguing.

Awkward silence from Michael Moore, that doesn't happen often.

He tied the war in Iraq to the health care crisis in this nation. Sanjay said that Medicaid would be 219 trillion (?) in debt by 2075 (?) and Moore criticizes $100 billion a year in Iraq. Although I do agree it is a waste, it has no point in this debate.

 

[The Yankee]

Anyone else catch Moore's quip that he thinks the government is great and that it does a wonderful job? He cited that Social Security checks are out every month. He forgot to mention the looming Social Security accounting melee that's going to bite us all pretty soon. Obviously, he covers up many of the counterarguments against his beliefs. Which is what a lot of pundits do, granted, but I don't get some of the absolute following that Moore has received, even if one believes he is generally correct.

 

[Godwynn]

Anyone else catch Moore's quip that he thinks the government is great and that it does a wonderful job? He cited that Social Security checks are out every month. He forgot to mention the looming Social Security accounting melee that's going to bite us all pretty soon. Obviously, he covers up many of the counterarguments against his beliefs. Which is what a lot of pundits do, granted, but I don't get some of the absolute following that Moore has received, even if one believes he is generally correct.

I found it hilarious when Sanjay was talking about that emergency heart procedure. Exercise Mike, exercise.

 

[Integral]

I just finished watching it.

He tied the war in Iraq to the health care crisis in this nation. Sanjay said that Medicaid would be 219 trillion (?) in debt by 2075 (?) and Moore criticizes $100 billion a year in Iraq. Although I do agree it is a waste, it has no point in this debate.

I found this to be an incredible slip by Moore. He claims to have a good grasp of the numberologics of the health care business, then claims that stopping the Iraq war ($100 billion per year) will fund health care ($2.1 trillion per year). Utterly shoots down his credibility.

He didn't look altogether professional either; Dr. Ghupta did. Being calm and collected counts for a lot.

Integral

 

[Godwynn]

He didn't look altogether professional either; Dr. Ghupta did. Being calm and collected counts for a lot.

Integral

Michael looked like a lot of his supporters with trendy box-frame glasses, although he lacked the 3 day old patchy beard.

OT: I finally figured out what your avatar is today in calculus, the antiderivative!

 

[ParkCungHee]

We lose an abundance of highly trained professionals to the United States each year. Your per-capita arguement proves nothing, especially since Canada has such a high proportion of rural communities suffering from lack of doctors.

Canadians know fine well they pay for their health-care with their taxes. We collectively refer to this as free, since we do not physically move our money to a Hospital or to a Government. The taxes are automatic, expected, and thoroughly supported by the majority of Canadians.

I can top that. In America I get free healthcare, free text books, free books period, free video games, free food, free metro cards, free train tickets, free movies, free CDs and essentially free anything. Americans know fine and well they for these things with their debit cards. We collectively refer to this as free, since we do not physically move our money to a store or government. The deductions are automatics, expected, and thoroughly supported by the majority of Americans.

 

[bigdog5994]

I can top that. In America I get free healthcare, free text books, free books period, free video games, free food, free metro cards, free train tickets, free movies, free CDs and essentially free anything. Americans know fine and well they for these things with their debit cards. We collectively refer to this as free, since we do not physically move our money to a store or government. The deductions are automatics, expected, and thoroughly supported by the majority of Americans.

good one, take that captain planet

 

[Phlegmak]

Sanjay Gupta admits an error. That renders him as having 5000% more integrity than Michael Moore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIIRa464z_w

 

[Bamspeedy]

For those who still haven't seen it, Sanjay-Moore debate is now on Youtube.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGncsJziH2o
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrvrfG0zE6E
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqoYhbVa2h4

 

[nivi]

I love how moore starts with: That report was so biased...
Yeah as if the movie is going to be the epitome of balance


Watching the sunjay-moore debate now.


Edit:

Miceal can't seem to get it to his head that everyone else pay for health "it is free", no it's not, when you get sick you don't pay, you just pay for you're entire life.

He ignores gupta saying about the debt medicaid is going to get, and in both interview he goes back to the war in Iraq...We get it. This is not about the war.

Gupta agreed with him on the basic premise of the bad healthcare in america, but Miceal didn't notice and went into a huge rant.

 

[downtown]

Oh and if Ontario weren't a three hour drive for me, I'd go back for my doctor appointments. Alas with gas prices, it's cheaper to stay in Ohio.

We can get into Ontario in 3 hours? What road do you take?

 

[Phlegmak]

I'm listening to the Michael Moore vs. Gupta debate on Youtube. I can't believe what I just heard. Michael Moore just said, "I love our government. I think the government's great. It does a great job of administrating social security." He just spoke the words, "I think the government's great." WHAT!

 

[skadistic]

I found it hilarious when Sanjay was talking about that emergency heart procedure. Exercise Mike, exercise.

When asked by the Dr. where he would rather have a heath operation performed Moore didn't actually answer the question.

The very end was the best part when Moore showed his true colours and went after one of the people the Dr. used in his counter piece. He just couldn't help but ramble on about the guy being a republican, like that some how negates all the things he brought up.

 

[Merkinball]

Not true.

http://www.amsa.org/studytours/WaitingTimes_primer.pdf



*BC, Ontario and Quebec.

20 of 18,000 isn't a lot.

Oh and if Ontario weren't a three hour drive for me, I'd go back for my doctor appointments. Alas with gas prices, it's cheaper to stay in Ohio.

Does that take into account Canadians in the Mayo Clinic? I tell you, when my mother had cancer she went to Roswell Cancer Institute in Buffalo. There were JUST as many Canadian's seeking treatment for serious cancers there as there were American's. A lot of people were quite upset about it, including my mother as her tumor swelled to the size of a softball while half the people going under the knife before her were Canadian. This is because of a huge lack of skilled oncologists practicing in the greater Toronto area. The same goes for Strong Memorial's heart hospital in Rochester. There is a substantial number of Canadian's that recieve car in our outpatient treatment facilities here in WNY.

Treatment doesn't necessarily have to come out of an acute care facility.