Won't you sin in Heaven?

[Erik Mesoy]

For another take on the situation - Heaven is the falling away of earthly desires. You can say "I'll miss my X" or "I won't be happy in Heaven if I can't do Y", but that will be false.

The price of resurrection is death, and the price of heaven is a similar loss.

 

[Elrohir]

I think living a completely stress-free life is mentally unhealthy.

You'll have a perfect body in Heaven. You can't be unhealthy there.

What? You wouldn't be tempted to make sweet love to all those hot angels that are just lying around doing nothing anyway?

All angels in the Bible are actually referred to as "He's". So that would be very gay. And no, apparently you won't. There will be no unfulfilled desires in Heaven, but there will be no marriage or sex either. So you won't desire sex, with humans or angels.

I heard somewhere that you cant even eat or sleep in heaven because its a mortal function.

That would suck. And i bet you cant have sex in heaven either because thats lust and you dont need to reproduce in heaven.

Revelation talks about feasts and fruit to eat in Heaven. There is absolutely no Biblical reason to assume that we will not eat in Heaven; quite the opposite. As for sleeping, the Bible doesn't talk about sleeping in Heaven either way, so we may or we may not, we'll see. Down here, it's a matter of personal conviction which view is right, but I don't see how it is a big deal.

They were right on the last one though, no sex. There will be no marriage, and therefore no sex there. But as I said earlier, you won't miss it, or feel sexually deprived, if you even notice.

If hell is what the bible makes it out to be then god is a mean twisted bastard. Nobody deserves that sort of punishment.

I would disagree. Sinning against an Eternal God is an Eternal Sin. Eternal Sin merits Eternal Punishment. Therefore, sinning against God merits Eternal Punishment, or Hell. It's only through God's Grace and Christ's sacrafice that we can escape our deserved fate.

And yes, by the way, I would say that I, at the very least, most definently deserve that fate. I'm just very, very glad I don't have to face it.

 

[warpus]

And yes, by the way, I would say that I, at the very least, most definently deserve that fate. I'm just very, very glad I don't have to face it.

Why, because hell doesn't exist?

 

[Elrohir]

Why, because hell doesn't exist?

No, because I'm a Christian.

 

[Perfection]

It just seems rather mean-spirited to say that everyone dserves hell.

Come on, eternal torment for everyone?

Not very nice!

 

[El_Machinae]

*deserves* being the operative word, here.

I think he's saying that HE *deserves* hell, too

 

[warpus]

No, because I'm a Christian.

You admit that you deserve to go to hell..

Surely God has a stricter sense of morality than you and will send you there.

 

[Xanikk999]

You'll have a perfect body in Heaven. You can't be unhealthy there.


All angels in the Bible are actually referred to as "He's". So that would be very gay. And no, apparently you won't. There will be no unfulfilled desires in Heaven, but there will be no marriage or sex either. So you won't desire sex, with humans or angels.


Revelation talks about feasts and fruit to eat in Heaven. There is absolutely no Biblical reason to assume that we will not eat in Heaven; quite the opposite. As for sleeping, the Bible doesn't talk about sleeping in Heaven either way, so we may or we may not, we'll see. Down here, it's a matter of personal conviction which view is right, but I don't see how it is a big deal.

They were right on the last one though, no sex. There will be no marriage, and therefore no sex there. But as I said earlier, you won't miss it, or feel sexually deprived, if you even notice.


I would disagree. Sinning against an Eternal God is an Eternal Sin. Eternal Sin merits Eternal Punishment. Therefore, sinning against God merits Eternal Punishment, or Hell. It's only through God's Grace and Christ's sacrafice that we can escape our deserved fate.

And yes, by the way, I would say that I, at the very least, most definently deserve that fate. I'm just very, very glad I don't have to face it.

So if you die a virgin you wont even get a sampling?

Forgive me for saying this but you know who is a prick!

 

[Boris Godunov]

Such simplistic notions abound in this thread.

While I don't remotely believe in a "heaven" or even an afterlife, I have to say that if there were such a thing, the existence in it would be beyond the realm of anything we could comprehend. I'd wager that any reference to "earthly" enjoyments would be meaningless in such a state. It would likely be nothing else than a state of complete bliss. Talk of "bodies," "feasts," "sex," etc. would simply be inapplicable to such a state.

 

[El_Machinae]

"Sin" in Heaven, would seem to be rebelling against God (in some fashion). Certainly, in Paradise, it is still possible to rebel

You admit that you deserve to go to hell..

In Christian theology, EVERYONE deserves to go to Hell - even the Christians (some believe that babies do too). Everyone is a sinner, and thus not good enough for Heaven - on their own.

That's why God's forgiveness is available, for those who want it.

 

[HighlandWarrior]

"Sin" in Heaven, would seem to be rebelling against God (in some fashion). Certainly, in Paradise, it is still possible to rebel



In Christian theology, EVERYONE deserves to go to Hell - even the Christians (some believe that babies do too). Everyone is a sinner, and thus not good enough for Heaven - on their own.

That's why God's forgiveness is available, for those who want it.

how can babies go to hell?

Matthew 18
Who Is the Greatest?
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2 Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3 and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
Jesus Warns of Offenses

6 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

It sounds like that the person who causes the child to sin is the one punished, not the child as he couldn't be responsible for what he's done if he does not know what is right and wrong.

 

[El_Machinae]

how can babies go to hell?

Original sin. Nowhere does Jesus explicitly say babies go to Heaven, only that adults have to become 'like children'.

It's a stretch, I know, because everyone wants babies to go to Heaven. Of course, if that were true, you'd be happy every time you miscarried because you KNOW that one got to heaven. Unlike your rebellious, punk death-metal, tatooed, drug-addict son.

 

[warpus]

Babies are evil and should all go to hell.

 

[GenMarshall]

Original sin. Nowhere does Jesus explicitly say babies go to Heaven, only that adults have to become 'like children'.

Actualy as a Catholic, we have been told that we should trust the mercy of God as well as Jesus's fondness towards children who died before they were baptised. Most chances babies who died without baptism wont end up in hell. Though I wont know untill I am there when I kick the bucket far in the future.

 

[MjM]

We can't understand heaven. It is like describing colours to a blind man.

That's about it.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

So if you die a virgin you wont even get a sampling?

Forgive me for saying this but you know who is a prick!

Post #101... You probably won't miss it at all.

 

[Lotus49]

For another take on the situation - Heaven is the falling away of earthly desires. You can say "I'll miss my X" or "I won't be happy in Heaven if I can't do Y", but that will be false.

The price of resurrection is death, and the price of heaven is a similar loss.

It's not so hard to imagine, since you've been there before. As a young child, the things that you covet are different than those you do as an adult. The things you care about/desire as an adult, you probably couldn't have cared less about as a young child (or perhaps would find disgusting/silly/waste of time), and vice versa.

So, just because you have an Earthly desire for something at the current time, doesn't mean that desire is actually as deeply rooted/strong as you think it is. More than likely, it's just a series of natural survival insitincts & hormones programmed into your thought process, making you care more about some things, than others. Easily changed by altering envrionment/surrounding, and/or body chemistry.

 

[Elrohir]

It just seems rather mean-spirited to say that everyone dserves hell.

Come on, eternal torment for everyone?

Not very nice!

Oh, so the laws of the universe and the afterlife should be ruled by how things "seem" to be? Sorry Perf, but I don't think so.

Just think about it honestly: Have you ever done anything that even you think was wrong? Have you ever done anything God thinks was wrong? If you're honest, the answer is yes, I know I certainly have. And if God is perfect, why should he let an imperfect and sinful being into his presence? He shouldn't, so he has to send them to another place - Hell. That's really the essence of Hell, a place where God is not. Honestly, I picture Hell less as a torture chamber or fiery furnace where you literally burn for eternity and more as simply a place of infinite loneliness and emptiness, where you are eternally separated from God.

You admit that you deserve to go to hell..

Surely God has a stricter sense of morality than you and will send you there.

He would, but for reasons of his own, he loves human beings, and sent his Son Christ so save us, to give us a way out, so that we don't have to. Which is a good thing for us, 'cause otherwise we'd all be in a lot of trouble.

So if you die a virgin you wont even get a sampling?

Forgive me for saying this but you know who is a prick!

I don't agree with Erik's notion that Heaven is the simple falling away of Earthly desires. (I desire to worship God here, would that fall away as well? Clearly not, as we will most definently worship God in Heaven) Rather, I would say it is the falling away of imperfect and sinful desires, and those that cannot, or should not be fulfilled. Because you won't be married, no, there will be no sex, but you won't miss it. So chill man.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Again, I believe that God loves us and therefore if there really is no sex in heaven (I am not sure there isn't) it is because there are much better options. It is a very mortal thing to treat sex as the best thing possible, but when we are resurrected maybe it isn't.

As far as sinning, all the possible underlying motivations for sinning will be gone in heaven, so there would be no point.

 

[Der Sensenmann]

I fail to understand why Christians view sex as sin. As I understand it, there was plenty of sex in the Garden of Eden before the Original Sin. The REAL no-no was the desire to seek knowledge, to understand one's condition. Therefore, wanting to read books and follow similar activities in heaven is what will actually get you expelled.