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World Peace Day

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Sultan Bhargash, Feb 15, 2003.

  1. Elden

    Elden is back!

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    I went to the protest in Adelaide, there were a hundered thousand there and it was excellent...

    ... untill I turned on the news the next morning and Howard said that "The mob has not made up it's mind!", so Mr. Howard 90% of Australia is a mob incapable of making a descision (unless it is the descision to agree with you) well bye bye to your chances for the next ellection :goodjob:

    You've just commited Political :suicide:
     
  2. stormbind

    stormbind Retenta personam!

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    Aargh! I thought they were burried.

    We are so pathetic. We are responsible for the Teletubbies aswell! Kill the British!!! :cry:
     
  3. vonork

    vonork Emperor

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    Greadius: I guess he proved his point more then he liked too, as you proved... or something :)

    But to blame the media, is not that faulty IMHO. Cuz if you can't get the information directly, you have to get it from someone, and every news broadcast is bias in one way or another in some extent. Might be minor but still.

    And we do get effected by the information that gets poured on us. Even though you try to sort things out, seek out news that are bias in the other direction and try to get them together. But it's hard to make anything out when they sometimes state the complete opposite of each other. Based on our core belief, some news will sound more correct then other - and by that we already have maid a mistake...
     
  4. Pongui

    Pongui Deity

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    Owing one's political beliefs to the available media is like owing one's personality to social environment. It's like saying our surroundings determine who we are.
     
  5. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    Hey, teletubbies are better than that purple monstrosity, Barney!

    :lol:
     
  6. vonork

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    Somethings that get's said in threads(this one and others) is that the people that where out protesting was not a representation of the majority... and sure it was not a statistic messure over what the public though so ok.

    But arguments like, hey that's only 1 million of 60, or that's only 10 million of 6billion. Nothing that matter, I'm only curious. Would the posters that post this, mainly pro-war(right now), post the same if they(the protesters) had been out protesting for a war right now.

    Would you say:

    1. They are only 1 million protesting in our capital, that's not a good masure of the peoples vote. Nothing to care to mush about.

    Or

    2. See, the people come out protesting for a war. they have spoken. You that say go slow don't have the public behind you.
     
  7. Pongui

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    If you read back through the thread, vonork, you'll see that some pro-war posters admit the peace movement is massive. It drives them to absurdity. They might say that they're ashamed to be part of humanity, or they might throw together reflexive explanations of why peace rallies have an unfair advantage over war rallies.

    If the US launched an attack now, the rallies would double in size. If we began to see casualties on TV, the rallies would double again.
     
  8. Elden

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    If they doubled even once all of humanity would be against the war!!! (Except for Bush, Blair and Howard)
     
  9. Switch625

    Switch625 I don't care.

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    If 10 million people take to the streets, they must be the right?

    Not necessarily!

    I remember very well in the early 1980s when the Soviets deployed SS-20 medium range missiles against NATO. The reason for their deployment was a mystery, but the threat was obvious. The US response was to answer with a similar deployment of Pershing II missiles. A strategically sensible decision.

    The outpouring of protest was incredible. Reagan was a war-monger they said, and that was one of the more polite things said about him. The US was going to single-handedly bring about the doom of the world.

    The thing is, the protesters were wrong. Yes, it did escalate the arms race. But that turned out to be a good thing, as the Soviets could not sustain it with their tottering economy. Only a few short years later, the Soviet system imploded. Now, we live in a world where perhaps the individual person is not safer, but ALL OF HUMANITY IS. Those of us who lived the cold war know these are much better times.

    Those protesters were wrong.

    I believe these are too.
     
  10. Greadius

    Greadius :yeah:

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    I tend to believe opinion polls are a more reliable measure than protesting.

    Like I said before, abortion protetest still draw more people, but the majority support that. Only because they draw an audience doesn't mean their cause is right or righteous, it just means they're part of the opposition, organized, and intense. Protests are called that because they're pro-active... a passive stance will never be protested. You'll never see marchers line the streets with signs reading "Maintain the status quo" or "I :love: authority"

    Pro-war people don't have the same intensity or sense of urgency; or need to make their heads of state listen.

    :goodjob: Done and done.

    Oh, wait, I'm ashamed of humanity :rolleyes:
     
  11. Sultan Bhargash

    Sultan Bhargash Trickster Reincarnated

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    Something got lost in this thread, amid the 3 or 4 actual reports of protest attendance (and one trip to the barber thru the protests ;) ) and Joe typing Kumbyah and all of the flaming, jacking, spamming, and irrelevant things...

    We lost a chance to come to an understanding about the differences between the two camps. I'm back to heal that grievous mistake...

    Vive la difference, no?

    Still no spin there...

    This is something I desperately want to see turned around.

    I made this point in a thread last fall that Greadius enjoyed trying to debunk. There is no liberal media at the moment- though there are plans to create a liberal radio network underfoot.

    And that makes sense. Newspapers make their money reporting the facts concisely, to save room for ad space. Television networks must compete for viewers with "Fear Factor" and "Jerry Springer", and thus the news becomes something else...

    This has to be true for obvious reasons. Other than C-Span, which lets the cameras roll, every other network gives the news the MTV treatment...

    And despite growing awareness of the fact, many Faux viewers are not yet aware of the intense conservative spin of their treasured network.

    This is because CNN grabs viewers with a war. They came into existence during the Iran hostage crisis, they flowered during the Gulf War. But to be fair, venues from 60 minutes to Oprah Winfrey also stress the "How Horrible Iraq really is" angle over the "How devastating a war would be" angle.

    Which I am fairly certain they do really see as their job. CNN runs "Showdown in Iraq" every day, complete with a nifty "Guns and Ammo" section highlighting our awesome wermachten (german for "war machines").

    This is the most disturbing part of this article, and sadly I believe it is true. Especially the geriatric set but also our harried workers with little time to digest info, continue to lump Iraq and the Taliban and Al Qaeda and probably Iran as well as "the bad guys from 9-11", or as my Grandma calls them, "Them". Some of it is probably baseline geographic ignorance/anti-Muslim racism, but a lot of the confusion doubtless comes from the fact that 9-11 still stings us and Bush never talks about anything but Iraq.

    This is the fundamental difference of perception, which no amount of repeating "Saddam is evil" is going to clear up. Subtler thought and smarter language is needed if we are interested in bridging the perception gap.

    I have to imagine the answer is a bit of both. I can't vouch for a "distorting anti-American bias" in European news (though I think some posters from over there have said it exists) but I can vouch for the "environment in which anyone who questions the administration' foreign policy is accused of being unpatriotic"- see my earlier flameup with NYHoya where I am told that I am "against America and everything we built" because I, like many of my countrymen and many people around the world including the leaders of so many nations, believe that inspections are working and will work and war is a last resort, a "sanctioning of failure", which must be put off while there is any other alternative.

    EDIT: Thank you Vonork for your thoughtful contribution to this thread and bringing this article to light. I still hold hope that I can - not change minds - but erase misperceptions that dog these forums.
     
  12. Håkan Eriksson

    Håkan Eriksson Commander of the Swedes.

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    You may think I'm takeing up an old post...... but I just heard some pole acctually saying that it weren't protests in every continent!

    I would just make clear that that is a lie.

    Protests were held in Antarctica, Asia, Africa, Oceania, North America, South America and Europe.


    PROOF: http://www.punchdown.org/rvb/F15/
     

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