World Wide Wonder

[Brian Shanahan]

Plan is fine by me.

 

[Stochastic]

Looks good to me too, just remember to keep an eye out on how others are doing on tech, if someone gets Edu we should probably finish up lib.

Also, maybe we should send a trireme upgraded to a caravel to find the Dutch? It would be nice to know where they are techwise.

 

[cripp7]

IHT-
Reneg silver deal with Hammy 12gpt>silver
queue up Hindu monasteris in cities
send caravel towards WvO

Turn 251-
Rome court>walls>castle
cash in 125 from gold mine
settle GG in Neapolis

Turn 252-
GP > PP we still have our preats!
Ghandi offers OB..decline
Hastings monastery
move out stack to Nottingham

Turn 253-
Rome castle>barracks
Antium monastery
to 0%

Turn 254-
zzz

Turn 255-
Rome barracks>lb
Vandal library>monastary
capture Nottingham 2 GGs! >
to 60% PP (4)
split stack for last 2 cities

Turn 256-
Ghandi completed Taj
Trade with Cathy 12gpt>dye
reneg Ghandi deal 8gpt>rice

Turn 257-
GG born sent to Medi

Turn 258-
GG settled
Captured Warwaick
spy failed in Newcastle, bombard 3 trebs, captured Newcastle

Turn 259-
missed turn??

Turn 260-
meet WvO (Annoyed)

Spoiler :

We need to regroup our stacks from the north to move south. put a turn or 2 into Astro to trade PP for it, Hammy just got GP

 

[Brian Shanahan]

Looks good, are we ever going to bother with that island to the SW I wonder. At the moment it seems more trouble that it's worth.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

I too think it looks good so far. But I won't get why you declined the OB requerst from Ghandi..

 

[cripp7]

Looks good, are we ever going to bother with that island to the SW I wonder. At the moment it seems more trouble that it's worth.

After Church & Izzy are gone, could pump out a couple galleons from Rome 2 turns I believe and take it over

I too think it looks good so far. But I won't get why you declined the OB requerst from Ghandi..

Oh was think was going to get a "Cancel deals with Ghandi" from Cathy, we can OB with him this round.

We need LBs/muskets for CG duty in the new cities and a few more trebs & spies to mop up Church. Question is: preats or maces? preats give 8 10%CR, mace 8 50% vs melee...I think a mix for Izzy

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Oh was think was going to get a "Cancel deals with Ghandi" from Cathy, we can OB with him this round.

Depending on whether it's more important to get "+1 you stopped trading with our worst enemy" than getting the malus for "you stopped trading with us" we should take it.

We need LBs/muskets for CG duty in the new cities and a few more trebs & spies to mop up Church. Question is: preats or maces? preats give 8 10%CR, mace 8 50% vs melee...I think a mix for Izzy

I'd still go for prets as they're way cheaper than maces and after sending some trebs to weaken the defenders it doesn't matter anymore whether they have 50% against melee or not!

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

Sorry looks like I'm up..

Posting make here to note reason

Hmm should keep a better roster Cripp 7.

Just joking, I didn't realize either, I had to look back to see last posting..

Expect it oh...48 hr's now...Busy next 2 day's, GF and GF (heh heh heh) Nah..1 is football... Sigh

 

[Brian Shanahan]

@IPEX which variant of football?

2 I won't be getting to this until Monday, so take your time.

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

Australian Rules Football. Takes precedence over Civ 4, believe it or not...and G.F. Well, she always will be 'played' in favour of Civ 4 ...

Besides got to figure out what were doing, and what's going on...

Looks like just Pursue the elimination of England and attack Spain.

Oh Pump out a few more wonders.

On the Island mass to the south, the AI's won't leave it alone for too long, we should look at moving on it NOW!!!!

 

[cripp7]

Sorry looks like I'm up..

Posting make here to note reason

Hmm should keep a better roster Cripp 7.

Just joking, I didn't realize either, I had to look back to see last posting..

Expect it oh...48 hr's now...Busy next 2 day's, GF and GF (heh heh heh) Nah..1 is football... Sigh

Yeah kinda been in my head, I'll mark him MIA

Australian Rules Football. Takes precedence over Civ 4, believe it or not...and G.F. Well, she always will be 'played' in favour of Civ 4 ...

Besides got to figure out what were doing, and what's going on...

Looks like just Pursue the elimination of England and attack Spain.

Oh Pump out a few more wonders.

On the Island mass to the south, the AI's won't leave it alone for too long, we should look at moving on it NOW!!!!

Well I'm the same way except American Football (real football IMHO)

Rome can do a couple galleons/units/etc.. uuntil a wonder comes up (Ox) Just keep rolling!

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

1240 AD​

T+0


I go about adjusting the various cities, most notably, grow Rome,and build a Hindu Madhir for +2 and


Lots of whip anger, reduce the gold loss by 10 or so. Keep on adjusting cities, decide to take one more of Churchhill, then we'd have removed his Iron as well. Would Immediately declare upon Isabella.


Bella Bella, Mia Bella.


Hastings => forge, industrious whip in 3 turns, the turn it grows.
Londinium=> Barracks and Stable, I'm going to trade for Guilds, Build knights.
Eboracum=> Barracks and Stable, see where this is going.
Arpinum=> Speeds up Moai statues to 4 turns, starvation.
Neapolis=> Mace to Stable




Tech trading:


Doing a check with Education, only Willem, has some inroads into that Technology.


I propose to do the following trades.


Catherine:- Trade Printing Press and 85 gold for Astronomy.

Spoiler :

Willem:- Printing Press and Gun Powder for Nationalism and Theology balance and world map. He's been to war with Gandhi.

Spoiler :

Doh wrong one, he came by asking for this 1st, then I made the trade I said I did.

Gandhi:- We shouldn't trade with him any more as Willem's is his worst enemy, and they have been at war, and Catherine hate him with a passion as well.


Hammurabi:- Last but not least, trade Printing press for Guilds and gold, maybe a war declaration

Spoiler :

Technology now looks like this

Spoiler :

Resource trade;


Gems from Catherine for Silver from us.
Spices from Willem for Stone
7 gold /turn for pigs. (Swine for a Swine)
Ivory for Corn and sheep




Who the Hell!!!!!!! traded with Gandhi We were Williams worst enemy at -6 till I gave away the techs to get us to -2 with Fair and forthright trading. Now I have to research Banking as well as Replaceable parts and hope William doesn't beat us to Liberalism.


T+1




Hmmm Hrrmmpppfff... Not happy JAN NOT AT ALL.


Any way, Catherines spent half of her gold, I was going to sell Guilds to her for 520 gold, but she's spent half. I could only sell it for 330 Gold,and not 600 to her and her vassal.


Yeah yeah, 330 gold, still 330 gold, I get Lincoln to switch to Hinduism as well.


Isabella, definitely not!!!!
Gandhi, Definitely not!!!!

Spoiler :

NEVER TRADE WITH GANDHI AGAIN

Chuchhill, You do realize we are at war with him.
Hammurabi, Will have Education in 3, same as us with Banking, race now to see if replaceable parts and can stall Willem.
Others, they have it.




Moved troops to attack Canterbury, change all espionage to Isabella.


Move the Long Bow from Vandal to our front line, we're friendly with Hammurabi.


Queue up Stables and war Elephants in production cities.


T+2


A great Engineer is Born into the Eternal city, DON'T MERGE IT INTO THE CITY, use if for Mining Corp.


Gather up stack to move on Canterbury. Still have Monopoly on Education.


Whip and Observatory in Rome for 3 pop, adds 27 we need every little bit we can get now.
112 overflow
Eboracum, whips a barracks for 62 overflow for 2 pop.
Mediolanum, 2 pop whips a stable, overflow of 60 odd
Neapolis, 1 pop whips stable for 60 overflow.


T+3


We now have Banking, Replaceable parts, aiming for Rifling from liberalism.


Nottingham, 3 pop whips a Granary, starving anyway, Now stable.
Cumae, whips a War Elephant for 2, goes onto wealth, as do some others, racing to replaceable parts now.
Rome goes onto Research, take 1 turn off replaceable parts, may be vital that.
Londinium, Wealth, we are cash +ve to research replaceable parts now.
Arretium- Whips its University, goes onto Science, only.
Ravenna- Whips its University for 3 pop. Goes to Research only.


T+4


ok Situation is this

Spoiler :

We'll get it still before Hammurabi, but only just.


Dumb A Class 1 moron!!!!! I decided to ask a request of Hammurabi, switch into Theocracy, and he

Spoiler :

AGREE'S MUAH HAHAHAHHAHAHA Continue just as is, just in case of Willem.

T+5


IBT's we were attacked, lost 1 crossbow to 2 of Churchills losses. We fall 1 unit short of taking Canterbury, I don't attack with the crossbow at 20%, have only lost 2 units in the 2 Trebuchets at 2% odd each. Wait 1 turn, can only whip 1 unit.


William doesn't have Education as yet, Hammurabi's in Anarchy, I move all cities back to normal builds, Replaceable parts in 3 turns.


T+6


ibt's WE lost 1 Praetorian to a mace, and a War Elephant to a cross bow.


I take Canterbury, as its got no extra defenders.


Normal builds now resume in all cities, William still doesn't have Education, and Hammurabi's 33 turns away from it now. Won't go into details, suffice to say, move 2 troops into the 2 forts from which the Elephant killing Crossbow came.


T+7


Catherine come by asking to trade Divine right for Education. I counter with an offer of Banking (known to Vassal) for 280 gold and Swap civics to Theocracy.


Vassal Lincoln, comes by immediately asking the same deal, but for his 10 gold, refused.


Lose another Praetorian to an English mace.., damm Cross bow was killed as well, and about to move 2nd one into city.


GDI!!! another Barb Galley destroys fishing boats in Rome...builds a galley.


Move Long bow into city, Crossbow killed one of the maces.


Kill the 2nd mace with a Praetorian at 57%, satisfying.


T+8


Nottingham 3 pop whips a Forge, 2 unhappy anyway.
Warwick Begins a Granary, to start the process of growth.


Move troops to the new staging point of Coventry, on Isabella's borders.


Replaceable parts is in, begin Lumbermills all over lands in forests that have been pre roaded. We Beat Hammurabi by 1 turn, so I turn research down to Zero, to build up some cash.


T+9


we're the 1st to Liberalism, thanks to a friendly Hammurabi, Dumb A.

Spoiler :

I choose as NEXT tech, Military Tradition. Put research to 100% for 1 turn, and will trade for it.


Attack Oxford, 1st Trebuchet wins at 51%, next 2 lose at 70 and 71% each.


Take Oxford for no further losses. Out running our 1 spy. Oh well.


T+10


Moving troops, healing up.


T+11


Hmm I sell Catherine Education for 321 gold.
William for 90 gold, so Catherine can't trade it for Gun Powder. Committed now, sell to one and all. BUT NOT GANDHI!!!
Lincoln gives this deal for Education

Spoiler :

Hammurabi's still doing it

Spoiler :

move troops about.


T+12


just moving troops


T+13


Refuse a deal from Gandhi, we like the Dutch, unlike Austin Powers father.


Foolishly attacked with a trebuchets, losing it...


T+14


Took Liverpool, took too many losses, I got pissed off, and didn't care. Bah...suffer.


Lost a war Elephant to a 50/50 battle...


T+15


had enough, losing battles all in a row...

 

[cripp7]

on the war effort, however i'm a little confused on the tech path going for Rifling from Lib instead of going towards MM. Maybe getting Physics, although SM (I see Cathy/Washington have it) would lose 2 wonders and our monasteries! On the Ghandi trade, I reneged a rice deal so maybe that was it

So in order to keep our tech pace, we need Ox up ASAP! We have a shot at Economics and the free GM which would add a boost. Then go to Democracy for SoL, trade for SM and try to get the free scientist from Physics, although Cathy may get it first. Do we want to go SP and go for Communism?

Settle the GE, I don't think we'll make it to Mining Inc. Game should be won by then.

We just need to finish Church and Izzy's mainland. Get that barb island up and running.

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

I just thought rifling for the war effort, to quickly finish it off with Cavalry. To be honest, I didn't consider the Scientific method branch, seemed like a waste. Hmm maybe should have gone Democracy branch, maybe..

Bah, In war, wanted a quick end to it, tech path??? Just in Auto war mode.

In hindsight, Democracy would have been better. Hmm dunno if I could have made it..oh well.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

Australian Rules Football. Takes precedence over Civ 4, believe it or not...and G.F. Well, she always will be 'played' in favour of Civ 4 ...

Besides got to figure out what were doing, and what's going on...

Looks like just Pursue the elimination of England and attack Spain.

Oh Pump out a few more wonders.

On the Island mass to the south, the AI's won't leave it alone for too long, we should look at moving on it NOW!!!!

So I suppose you watch the compromise rules then. We used get some great fights out of that a while back.

Yeah kinda been in my head, I'll mark him MIA



Well I'm the same way except Rugby for cowards (real cowardly IMHO)

Rome can do a couple galleons/units/etc.. uuntil a wonder comes up (Ox) Just keep rolling!

Fixed that for you. Also does this mean I'm up? If so I've got it.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

As I'm going to visit Mounty and Pacal's land (no ny spying just scouting..) I'll be away until 18.10. and need an auto skip until then!
I'll try to take a look from time but don't count on it!

 

[cripp7]

Need to discuss tech path. Are we going for Dem to get the SoL then on to MM? We need to take advantage of our monasteries while we can.

1. cripp -
2. ifinnem -MIA
3. IPEX - done
4. Brian - UP
5. Stochastic - next
6. Thy_Spellcraft - MIA 10-18
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[Brian Shanahan]

Right on tech were 1/4 of the way through constitution, so I'd personally say go for the demo and get the French lady.
On war I'll eliminate the English, but I'm not sure about going after Izzy, do we really need to and if so would it not be better to rip out her core let her vassal to a rival to let them have the negative diplo.
I'll have to do some micro on our cities to find if we're running the wrong specialists, etc.
Will I revolt to Rep as soon as I get it.

If we want Hammi on our side we'll have to gift the UN to someone else, atm we're ~21% pop he's next on 19% exactly so unless we're very lucky in the meantime he'll be the opponent. If we remove his chance of being UN Sec Gen candidate no.2 he should be free to vote for us in diplo. Of course this will break a rule.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

I will play the game tomorrow, but here is plan.
1) Finish england.
2) Settle Island.
3) Tech Const>Demo (won't get done)
4) Builds: Unis, Banks, Oxford in Rome when we get 6 unis, Settlers, Defence of Island.
5) Forgotten we built the Pyramids so disregard the question re Rep in last post. Will revolt to Merc though.

That's about it. I think we should really build up our infra a bit before going after Izzy, she'll wait, and we're strong enough atm without her.

 

[cripp7]

Right on tech were 1/4 of the way through constitution, so I'd personally say go for the demo and get the French lady.
On war I'll eliminate the English, but I'm not sure about going after Izzy, do we really need to and if so would it not be better to rip out her core let her vassal to a rival to let them have the negative diplo.
I'll have to do some micro on our cities to find if we're running the wrong specialists, etc.
Will I revolt to Rep as soon as I get it.

If we want Hammi on our side we'll have to gift the UN to someone else, atm we're ~21% pop he's next on 19% exactly so unless we're very lucky in the meantime he'll be the opponent. If we remove his chance of being UN Sec Gen candidate no.2 he should be free to vote for us in diplo. Of course this will break a rule.

I think let Izzy vassal to someone else, take her mainland cities.

How will gifting someone else the UN break a rule?