World's largest woman at 700 pounds

[Terxpahseyton]

Abegweit you make a lots of sense. Sadly, you also spout a lot of crap.

But you are in general right that exercise is no magic key to loosing weight and in deed can mean the opposite (I am saying this as a big fan of exercise). Because it is easy to satisfy the hunger produced by exercise with more calories than one actually burned.
And I am also willing to agree that permanently cutting heavily back on the high-sugar carbohydrates people consume so much nowadays is a quit safe way to successfully loose weight. Because this will allow to eat the same amount of food and having the same amount of satisfaction in the stomach but with less calories, less sugar in the veins. One also has no yo-yo effect and no special task to perform one may quit out of laziness.

But still it is way more complex than you make it out to be. I.e. there are many different approaches that can succeed and different biological factors to be considered, now add the psychological factor and you have a complex topic.

Hear are some biological factors, some of those if not all were already mentioned, but to give you an overview:
- Muscles mass (different with everyone, can be helped by muscle gain exercise and has a big influence on how much calories one burns every day without additional exercise)
- Metabolism (again matters for how much calories one burns without additional exercise and also how the body deals with different food)
- Time of eating (most of the production or consumption of fat cells takes place during the sleep, as a consequence a lot of calories in the morning will hurt a lot less than in the evening - additionally, having times of low blood sugar can be beneficial to loosing weight, accomplished by having three firm meals instead of eating small portions all day)
- What kind of nutritions (different nutritions need different kind of energy to be used, which can be pretty important, i.e. them same amount of calories taking by proteins can be a whole another world in comparison to the same amount taking by carbohydrates)
- Sleeping behavior (as said if you loose fat, you do so in the sleep, if you have sleeping problems, then this can make it a lot harder).

Now, my pro tip is to waive carbohydrate in the evening, have three firm meals (no snacks) and have a good breakfast (boost your metabolism and won't matter in the evening unless you eat like a pig). To get even better result combine it with muscle gain exercise. That will permanently increase the calories you burn, through-out all day. Muscles are energy cormorants. Alternatively I advise doing endurance training of whatever kind after dinner, so you won't outweigh the exercise by eating more.

edit: by "snacks" I also mean drinks besides water. Oh and I should add that IMO every plan needs a healthy dose of exceptions, eating is also fun, if I am out with friends or family for dinner in a nice restaurant, I'll eat carbohydrate for dinner so I can fully enjoy it. Or if I am having a coffee, I'll have it with milk regardless of it being a snack. But I also don't drink coffee all day or every day.

But in the end the golden rule is of course - whatever works for you, if it works.

 

[Disgustipated]

Exercise can cause weight loss, but, and this is a big but, you need to control your diet. At first when I started exercising, I was eating everything under the sun. I was not losing any weight, after I reduced my calorie intake, the pounds just burned off like butter.

I also lost 50 pounds about 8 years ago through diet alone (I was not doing any exercise). This proves that you don't need to exercise to lose weight (hence my concentration camp comment). I did gain a lot back, however. But then I lost it again through exercise I described in the above paragraph. But then I also gained a lot back after that when I was exercising (because I went back to eating sweets again). Yes I did gain fat, even while exercising because I was eating too many desserts. So exercise isn't some cure all. It doesn't boost your metabolism so high, that pounds will just melt off. You need strict control of your diet too. I find control of the diet is more key to losing weight, than exercise.

 

[kramerfan86]

All I know is that for me personally when I have tired to just do diet based weight loss the pounds trickle off at an incredibly slow rate, too slow for me to ever manage to will power my way to losing what I want. When I add exercise though it comes off much much faster and I dont have to diet nearly as hard to lose weight.

 

[Linkman226]

Exercise can cause weight loss, but, and this is a big but, you need to control your diet. At first when I started exercising, I was eating everything under the sun. I was not losing any weight, after I reduced my calorie intake, the pounds just burned off like butter.

I also lost 50 pounds about 8 years ago through diet alone (I was not doing any exercise). This proves that you don't need to exercise to lose weight (hence my concentration camp comment). I did gain a lot back, however. But then I lost it again through exercise I described in the above paragraph. But then I also gained a lot back after that when I was exercising (because I went back to eating sweets again). Yes I did gain fat, even while exercising because I was eating too many desserts. So exercise isn't some cure all. It doesn't boost your metabolism so high, that pounds will just melt off. You need strict control of your diet too. I find control of the diet is more key to losing weight, than exercise.

I agree with this very much. Not scarfing down 500 calories is a piece of cake (excuse the pun) compared to burning that much off, so while you CAN lose weight by relying on exercise as a large part of or even the whole of your weight loss regimen, it's definitely a lot harder to pull off.

 

[Artifis]

The prospect of spending 10-20 minutes searching for a girl's vagina is always arousing.

I lol'd.

 

[Colonel]

Seriously I think anyone over the weight of four hundred pounds we should just take out and shoot. Obviously with a few exceptions, body builders is the only I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Zelig]

Right. So exercise IS useful. But it's only about 20, maybe 30% of the equation because for most people it is much easier to resist a donut than to do the 30 minutes or so of running to burn it off.

I'm on several different sports teams.

I find it far more difficult to resist a donut than I do to let down all my teammates for several hours of exercise on any given night.

 

[Linkman226]

Seriously I think anyone over the weight of four hundred pounds we should just take out and shoot. Obviously with a few exceptions, body builders is the only I can think of off the top of my head.

I'm sorry that you think that. It must be terrible to live in the 14th Century.

I'm on several different sports teams.

I find it far more difficult to resist a donut than I do to let down all my teammates for several hours of exercise on any given night.

Oh, my poor argument! Blown to pieces! How could I forget that most Americans are on several sports teams? Silly me.

 

[Colonel]

I'm sorry that you think that. It must be terrible to live in the 14th Century.

It's a simple matter of survival for the species, we don't need these people reproducing as they just end up draining society with no positive benefit. They are fat, lazy, and resource wasters. I wouldn't even give them air to breathe if it were up to me. They pass these horrible habits on to their children who then in turn do the same, it's a horrible cycle which we must break by eradicating them.

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[kramerfan86]

It's a simple matter of survival for the species, we don't need these people reproducing as they just end up draining society with no positive benefit. They are fat, lazy, and resource wasters. I wouldn't even give them air to breathe if it were up to me. They pass these horrible habits on to their children who then in turn do the same, it's a horrible cycle which we must break by eradicating them.

Survival of the species? Pretty sure a species with 6 billion plus members isnt at threat of extinction due to the morbidly obese, who btw arent terribly likely to reproduce and pass on their genes anyways.

 

[MobBoss]

Seriously I think anyone over the weight of four hundred pounds we should just take out and shoot. Obviously with a few exceptions, body builders is the only I can think of off the top of my head.

I am unaware of any 400 lb plus body builder. Ever.

 

[Dreadnought]

While I don't believe fat people should be killed, I love the idea of an obesity tax for significantly overweight people. If they want to be a drain on society, at least make them pay a lot for it.

 

[Artifis]

It's a simple matter of survival for the species, we don't need these people reproducing as they just end up draining society with no positive benefit. They are fat, lazy, and resource wasters. I wouldn't even give them air to breathe if it were up to me. They pass these horrible habits on to their children who then in turn do the same, it's a horrible cycle which we must break by eradicating them.

So you'll be the arbiter of life and death for people on the basis of their weight?

This is a joke isn't it?

 

[Colonel]

So you'll be the arbiter of life and death for people on the basis of their weight?

This is a joke isn't it?

Absolutely not, people who weigh that much have clearly wasted away the life they were given as such they should be removed to allow better people to use the resources they would waste on better endeavors.

 

[kramerfan86]

Absolutely not, people who weigh that much have clearly wasted away the life they were given as such they should be removed to allow better people to use the resources they would waste on better endeavors.

But you see doing it purely off weight is stupid because someone could be heavily fat and still be doing something productive. In such a tech heavy society its pretty easy for a sedentary person to be productive. Not to say the majority arent lazy (i dont know what the % would be exactly), but to suggest they are 100% useless is ignorant.

 

[Colonel]

So we force the useful ones to lose weight. Set them on a three meal a day diet and force physical training on them. They will learn to adapt.

 

[kramerfan86]

So we force the useful ones to lose weight. Set them on a three meal a day diet and force physical training on them. They will learn to adapt.

Or you could just but out of their lives since it really has zero effect on you. Im sure plenty of people would suggest wasting your time on the internet is non-productive laziness. Does someone need to come by your house and beat extra productivity out of you?

 

[Linkman226]

It's a simple matter of survival for the species, we don't need these people reproducing as they just end up draining society with no positive benefit. They are fat, lazy, and resource wasters. I wouldn't even give them air to breathe if it were up to me. They pass these horrible habits on to their children who then in turn do the same, it's a horrible cycle which we must break by eradicating them.

I see. Should we also enforce mass sterilization or kill people for having too many babies? I mean, that is resource hogging, right?

While I don't believe fat people should be killed, I love the idea of an obesity tax for significantly overweight people. If they want to be a drain on society, at least make them pay a lot for it.

lolwut

Where did they sign a pact saying they owe anything to society?

Absolutely not, people who weigh that much have clearly wasted away the life they were given as such they should be removed to allow better people to use the resources they would waste on better endeavors.

I see... then shouldn't we kill the disabled as well? Or let unfit babies die of exposure in the style of the Spartans? Better yet, just cull out anyone with an IQ of less than 90.

 

[Artifis]

Absolutely not, people who weigh that much have clearly wasted away the life they were given as such they should be removed to allow better people to use the resources they would waste on better endeavors.

Seriously.

I can understand the logic behind capital punishment, even if I may not agree with it. But a punishment is required, in this case the death of another person. You are telling us that these people's capital crime is being obese.

Firstly, they have not clearly wasted away their life. As kramerfan86 said one can still be morbidly obese yet contributing to society in their own way.

Secondly, I thought that we were past the age of killing based on physical attributes. Even if they are nothing but gluttons, they are human beings. Life has its own intrinsic value.

If you wanted to punish them keep this in mind: their weight is their greatest punishment. This 700 pound lady can't even fit into her own car. She has difficulties moving. The everyday tasks we are so used to doing are a challenge for her. And think of how she's viewed by others in society. I can only find one way to describe her life, and that is miserable.

 

[Linkman226]

Again, why does anyone owe anything to society? Why is it a prerogative- it would appear a moral prerogative- that someone MUST be resourceful?