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I'm afraid you have to get used to labeling. It's too complicated for humans to remember each person as an individual, so we make up stereotypes and put one or more labels on each person we meet.I came out of the closet at 17. Prior to that, I dated (and had sex with) numerous females in high school. It really just wasn't my bag. To be honest, I wish our society wasn't so obsessed with sex and labels. I would prefer that people just judge me as me, and not put imaginary tattoos on my forehead.
I've got to say I find some of the positions taken here to be a bit weird. I mean, I consider myself a straight guy. I've never experimented that way, and I'm not interested in doing so. On the other hand, the people going on about how men they find men physically repulsive strike me as "trying too hard".
I mean, assuming a decently erotic situation where I wanted to fool around with with a good looking guy, I doubt it would be any less fun than masturbation. The male form might not be a turn-on, but it's not going to keep me from getting my game on if I'm so inclined. I mean, it just smacks of self loathing. If I thought masculinity was so icky, I'd be looking into getting a sex change or something.
@Narz:
"The male form might not be a turn-on" doesn't sound like bisexuality to me. Just sounds like a dude that doesn't get upset about wieners. A chick who wouldn't let somebody else's boobs keep her from having a good time would be in the same category, methinks.
Not really. I don't find men sexually attractive, which seems to nix that idea. I can't picture myself wanting to experiment with another guy, because it's not a particularly sexy thought, and I'm not the sort of person who tries things just to say I did them. But if I was determined to break some verses in Leviticus, the other guy's status as a guy wouldn't be a big obstacle.
One of the gay friends I have used to board Russian ships from helicopters to look for contraband and smuggling, while avoiding shooting the crew even though they were drunk and wielding knives or pistols.yup, same here. I never understood the excessively loud denials. I don't know why I should be repulsed by the male form. It's probably got to do with the idea that many still view it as 'unmanly' to be gay, so people try to position themselves as far from gay as possible in order to appear manly![]()
Doesn't sounds very unmanly to me.

I simply don't like the male body. I'm fine with my own, and I have no problem being in a sauna or a Japanese onsen and sitting right next to naked guys and talking about whatever. But there will be no touching and no direct looking! Staring is impolite and touching is WAY out of line! Unless one wants to pick a fight that is.
But sure, you can suggest that I'm insecure in my sexuality or in denial about something if you like. You're wrong and I don't care.

On the other hand, I'll argue that those who could be okay with experimenting are, say, 80% heterosexual then, in contrast to those of us who are very close to 100% heterosexual.
Not Pepsi itself, but Coca-Cola Light, Coca-Cola Zero and Pepsi Max gives me a terrible feeling afterwards and I really need something else to remove the taste. I would rather go thirsty than drink any of those three.Let's put it another way. Some people like Coke. Some people like Pepsi. Some people even like both. I might exclusively prefer Coke and turn down offers of Pepsi, but I'm not going to vomit if I have to drink Pepsi, and I have to raise an eyebrow at those who say they would.
'Social conditioning' = 'brainwashing'. It's just two terms for the same thing, one term having more negative connotations than the other.Brainwashing sounds so malicious. It's fair to call some instances brainwashing. I don't think all such social conditioning is malicious, though.

Again, 'disease' is just a term meaning 'a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors'. Personally I have diseases such as asthma, allergies, extremely high metabolism and near-sightedness. I don't put any value-judgment on a disease except for noting that it is, and that a specific disease may reduce an individual's value at certain tasks (I wasn't allowed to be a military pilot, I can't work on farms, etc.). Generally, I take offense at people being offended by me correctly labeling things.I'm honestly not sure exactly what causes it, though I'd be surprised to find out it's pure body chemistry. My roommate knows a goddamn ton of trannies so I just asked her about your "disease" characterization. My first impulse on seeing "disease" was to say "no, no that's offensive", but it's sort of tough to write off completely, because it is a sort of disorder that generally does need some form of treatment for the person in question to be able to live a fulfilling life (notably unlike homosexuality). I don't like the connotations of disease, but yeah, I guess it's disease. There's more to the "cure" than changing only the body, though. A lot of living has to be changed too, and therapy is usually pretty important.
I used to consider homosexuality a disease as well, even an incurable disease (for now anyways). However, it seems that homosexuality is existing throughout nature, in most species that have a male-female dimorphism, and that generally a few percentages of individuals in each population are homosexual (it follows, of course, that a greater number of individuals are on the scale somewhere between heterosexuality and homosexuality). Furthermore, as there doesn't seem to be any natural pressure to eliminate homosexuality, it seems that it is actually a successful way for nature to make sure related individuals have an increased chance of propagation, even if the homosexual individuals themselves are less likely to propagate. Adding to it that homosexual individuals seems to be able to fully accept themselves and their bodies, and can live a good life, there doesn't seem to be any grounds for labeling it a disease.
Transsexuals on the other hand, seems to have greater trouble living a good life with themselves and their bodies without any treatment. And though I have no idea if this is also a condition that can be found in other species (nor any idea how one could test for such a thing), it doesn't seem to have any positive effects on either ones own offspring nor related offspring. As such, I feel justified in labeling it a disease until new information is gained on the subject.
As you saw further down in my post, it is actually a multidimensional matrix. However, when only talking about hetero-, bi- and homosexuality, one dimension usually suffice.I used to like the scale metaphor, but now, having had relationships with men and women, I don't think one dimension cuts it. Sexuality is complicated. That's part of what makes it so awesome.

But I argue that it is always my place to judge anything!I couldn't agree more. I think all reasonable people allow a few specific exceptions, but yes, commitment is commitment.
I'm not try to stop you from judging. I'm just going to announce when it's nobody's place to judge something.![]()

If anyone should listen or care about my judgment is an entirely different thing however.
A bit less confused, but there seems to be some previous discussion that passed me by. Whatever.No, I should've worded that better, I suppose, I was extending the comparison. "Do you enjoy the company of men or do you enjoy the company of women?" Both. "Will you assert that god exists or will you assert that god does not exist?" Neither.

Don't think you need to worry about being rude to me, you don't even really know me.I don't mean to be rude about it, but I care more about how they choose to describe themselves and why than what you're going to call them.The specific examples are of people having a sort of dynamic sexuality, and I personally buy that it takes more than a couple nights in a hotel room before you aren't [whatever] anymore.

However, I will not let other people use whatever word they wish to describe themselves without me at least objecting. No group of individuals actually owns the language (at least not the English language). I'm still a bit annoyed by the homosexuals who took over the meaning of the word 'gay', which I think was a perfectly fine word with a good meaning before then.

The idea of a 'dynamic' sexuality is one that I haven't considered much. Is there reason to believe that some people's sexuality actually changes through their lives, regardless of any brainwashing (read: social conditioning if you want

Guess we're different then.Still awkward. I can never concentrate.

Out of curiosity, is this because of your other connotations to the term 'hole', and would a term like 'orifice' be any better?Also, the word "hole" in this context is unspeakably revolting, please stop using it forever.
Personally, I find it to be a very good term from some points of view, if a bit crude.