Would you ever experiment with your sexuality?

[Arakhor]

Which club would that be? The "I've had Asperger's since before today's teenagers figured it was cool" club?

 

[Boris Godunov]

What about womb environment? what are the odds of monozygous twins having essentially the same womb environment? Or early childhood experiences?

Womb environment could cause it considering they share the same womb environment.

That would still make it a biological cause, not some sort of choice or a result, as you suggested, from being abused as children. That "40% abused" number is just fiction.

Still, the twins correlation of 55% is right in line with the prevalence of a whole host of other genetic factors, as what I quoted shows. In that light, the case for a genetic basis is much stronger than other factors.

 

[Miles Teg]

It would be for me (not because I give a damn about a book of stories but simply because my equipment probably would not function, shoot there was a rather unappealing female who wanted me once who I could not get it up for, I really don't think I could physically maintain an erection with a guy [unless maybe I was getting oral with my eyes closed & the guy didn't speak then maybe I could imagine him as female but I really don't know & wouldn't find out unless someone was paying me multiple thousands]).

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is more of a libido thing than a matter of sexual orientation. From the sound of it, sexual attraction is a physical requirement of sex to you. On the other hand, while I wouldn't have sex with someone I didn't find sexually attractive, I could (probably) preform if I had to, if only thanks to sheer stimulation of nerve endings.

Oh, and civ king, there's no such thing as the "same" gestational experience. Even with twins, the presence of each other skews the results.

 

[Narz]

If you don't label yourself, other people would do it for you.

So let them label you. I've been given all sorts of labels in my life but I don't feel the need to shield myself with my own. I am who I am.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is more of a libido thing than a matter of sexual orientation. From the sound of it, sexual attraction is a physical requirement of sex to you. On the other hand, while I wouldn't have sex with someone I didn't find sexually attractive, I could (probably) preform if I had to, if only thanks to sheer stimulation of nerve endings.

Hmm, yeah, am I that unique? To me sex is most mental. If a beautiful silken hand of a woman is grabbing me as she gazes lovingly into my eyes, I'm going to respond. I don't think my nerve endings would react the same way if the big sweaty guy at the urinal next to me @ a truck stop grabbed for me.

If sex was all about nerve ending stimulation only everyone would just stay home & masturbate because most folks can get themselves off faster than anyone else could. But people don't just stay home & masturbate.

Which club would that be? The "I've had Asperger's since before today's teenagers figured it was cool" club?

Does anyone really consider Asperger's "cool"? I'm glad that label didn't exist when I was a kid, I'm certain at least one of my shrinks would've slapped me with it (I got "borderline autistic" from one dipsht doc) & then I could've blamed my social/emotional issues on that instead of taking the time & energy to try to change them myself.

 

[Miles Teg]

Hmm, yeah, am I that unique? To me sex is most mental. If a beautiful silken hand of a woman is grabbing me as she gazes lovingly into my eyes, I'm going to respond. I don't think my nerve endings would react the same way if the big sweaty guy at the urinal next to me @ a truck stop grabbed for me.

Oh, I'm not arguing that the mental component of sex is huge and important and most of all fun. I can't get that with men, which is why I wouldn't want to sleep with one. In fact, I originally compared a straight man having gay sex to masturbation, in terms of pleasure and all that. I just don't get men who insist that because they don't find other men sexually attractive, that makes them sexually repulsive.

 

[El_Machinae]

What about womb environment? what are the odds of monozygous twins having essentially the same womb environment? Or early childhood experiences?

It's a good point. It's important to remember that wombal epigenetic programming is different from straight 'genetics': but they're hard to distinguish from each other. Though epigenetic changes still obviously require the proper 'genes'.

But to answer your question about childhood experiences.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18536986

Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34-.39 of the variance, the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61-.66 of the variance.

So shared early childhood experiences counted for none of the cause.


Anyway, I've never considered experimenting with my sexuality. There're only two men that I've had crushes on: Dean Kamen (for who he is) and Sendhil Ramamurthy for his looks. He was the first man where I thought "hey! He's good looking!"

 

[Narz]

I just don't get men who insist that because they don't find other men sexually attractive, that makes them sexually repulsive.

I can see the appeal of a man from an aesthetic standpoint. I think men & women look aesthetically pleasing together & I can see why women like men. So I don't find men repulsive. The idea of myself being with another man though I find, well, gross. It's not a feeling I really feel much though because I don't think about it much/at all really except in hypothetical threads like this.

 

[Arakhor]

Does anyone really consider Asperger's "cool"? I'm glad that label didn't exist when I was a kid, I'm certain at least one of my shrinks would've slapped me with it (I got "borderline autistic" from one dipsht doc) & then I could've blamed my social/emotional issues on that instead of taking the time & energy to try to change them myself.

Well, I was diagnosed with it when I was a teenager, but by "cool" I meant before widespread public awareness and it being hijacked by people trying to apologise for their lack of social graces and general nerdy behaviour.

 

[_random_]

If it isn't based on scripture, how is it justifiable? How can you be sure it's not just an erroneous belief based on bad assumptions?

Tradition and reason are valid sources for the vast majority of Christians. There is no claim in scripture to be the only source of doctrine. Even in Islam, the only religion which really claims its holy book to all come straight from God himself, the Hadith is still considered a legitimate theological authority. More to the point, the canon of Scripture only takes its current form because of the tradition of the church.

More to the point, why would the omnipotent, omniscient creator of the universe care that your wife likes to give you oral sex? Does that really seem like something he'd be concerned about?

He created the entire universe. Why should he be concerned about us at all? I guess it's kind of like how on nature shows they'll interview a scientist with an intense but narrow interest, like lizard populations in Arizona or the mating patterns of ants, to which they'll dedicate they'll entire lives. It's a bit inexplicable, but it's clear that the Christian God is concerned with all aspects of people's lives.

 

[Abaddon]

"So you like threesomes, right?" is above it on the list imo.

Thats just wishful thinking though.

Also, who isnt into threesomes?

 

[Disgustipated]

If you don't label yourself, other people would do it for you.

fine, I'll label myself as a lesbian woman in a man's body.

 

[Mango Elephant]

fine, I'll label myself as a lesbian woman in a man's body.

The term is guydyke.

 

[Disgustipated]

I can see the appeal of a man from an aesthetic standpoint. I think men & women look aesthetically pleasing together & I can see why women like men. So I don't find men repulsive. The idea of myself being with another man though I find, well, gross. It's not a feeling I really feel much though because I don't think about it much/at all really except in hypothetical threads like this.

they do have a certain appeal. I think I could give a guy a hj, as it would be like doing myself. But what reason would I have to do it? I dislike body hair. Yes they can shave all of it off, but men's bodies seem so plain. They don't have curves in the right places. I want soft things, not hard things.

soft>hard

 

[civ_king]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is more of a libido thing than a matter of sexual orientation. From the sound of it, sexual attraction is a physical requirement of sex to you. On the other hand, while I wouldn't have sex with someone I didn't find sexually attractive, I could (probably) preform if I had to, if only thanks to sheer stimulation of nerve endings.

Oh, and civ king, there's no such thing as the "same" gestational experience. Even with twins, the presence of each other skews the results.

So the fluid solution around them would be different?

Thats just wishful thinking though.

Also, who isnt into threesomes?

I am not into them...

 

[Abaddon]

Why on earth not?

 

[Mango Elephant]

I'm not into getting a bj.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

 

[_random_]

I'm not into getting a bj.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

Everywhere.

 

[Abaddon]

I'm not into getting a bj.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

Wait, your a guy, and you don't enjoy receiving oral?!?!?1

 

[Mango Elephant]

Wait, your a guy, and you don't enjoy receiving oral?!?!?1

No, it just feels weird and not sexual at all.

 

[Abaddon]

Wierd... i'd suggest whoever it was doing it was rubbish at it...