Would you spank your child?

[bigdog5994]

Can we get more input from some actual parents?

i took care of my baby brother everyday for the past 4 years

 

[Lone Wolf]

Kids are great in concealing their mischievous antics from their parents, so they should be regularly spanked three times a day, as a punishment for some mischief you don't know about, but which they've surely made.

I was never spanked, or "time-outed", for that matter, before my teenage eyes. I was a well-behaved kid. In my teenage eyes, any violence in which me and my mother engaged was mutual.

 

[Narz]

You guys. You train dogs by hitting them. You hit them, you yell at them, and you give them treats.

I hope animal control takes your dogs. And if that's really your attitude... well, no I won't go there.

I feel that as a certified child, who was spanked, I have plenty to offer in this debate.

I didn't know they gave certificates. Do they have spanking conferences where parents discuss techniques (and tools)?

 

[achilleszero]

Time out is a good idea, but difficult to enforce without the threat of violence.

Yep, and the threat of violence is no good unless someone occasionally gets thier bottom smacked.

You don't earn respect by hitting your child.

Apparently my father was not concerned with earning my respect. Strange how I grew up to respect him.

Nicely put. And a dog is too stupid to even be reasoned with so physical punishment is actually more understandable (though still not really acceptable), do people think their children are dumber than dogs that there simply is no way to train them without smacking their bottoms?

That seems backwards to me. We dont imprison/punish the mentally challenged, because they are incapable of understanding the law. A child should understand after repeat warnings. Most people that spank thier child dont just haul off and spank them on the first offense. Its usually for repeat offenses, where apparently reasoning with them had no effect.

Kids are great in concealing their mischievous antics from their parents, so they should be regularly spanked three times a day, as a punishment for some mischief you don't know about, but which they've surely made.

 

[thekaje]

I hope animal control takes your dogs. And if that's really your attitude... well, no I won't go there.

I find the most effective tool is one of those 20-pound sledgehammers you can get at Home Depot. I tell my dogs it's a 'Cap Per Crime--i.e., one kneecap for every offense. The only exception is for licking strangers, where for each offense I snip off another tenth or so of the dog's tongue. I usually do this with branch-cutters.

 

[achilleszero]

I find the most effective tool is one of those 20-pound sledgehammers you can get at Home Depot. I tell my dogs it's a 'Cap Per Crime--i.e., one kneecap for every offense.

Really? Cool. I have several sledgehammers. If I knew they were so effective......

What do you recommend for my cat?

 

[thekaje]

 

[LucyDuke]

I am an actual parent!

How old is your offspring?

You guys. You train dogs by hitting them. You hit them, you yell at them, and you give them treats.

Hitting them is rarely necessary, and when it is, a mild smack on the ass is enough. I've never had to hit my blonde dog, and she's the best-behaved dog you'd ever want to meet. The brown dog needs a swat once in a while, but it's far, far, far from the ideal first response.

Just like with kids.

Nicely put. And a dog is too stupid to even be reasoned with so physical punishment is actually more understandable (though still not really acceptable), do people think their children are dumber than dogs that there simply is no way to train them without smacking their bottoms?

Yeah, I think some children are dumber than dogs. Small kids are dumb as hell. Of course there are other ways to train them, smacking has a lot of company in the toolbox.

I'm a parent & I can think of no reason ever to engage in the ritualized violence & humiliation that is spanking. No matter the problem I can never imagine bending her over my knee & slapping her rear (bare? do the spank-supporters here go old-school or keep the pants on? belt or no belt? if you're pro-belt what crime do you draw the line at? and at what further crime is a tire iron required?) would be the most intelligent & effective solution to teach her a life lesson.

How old is she? What's the naughtiest thing she's ever done while you were looking after her?

I'm pretty sure that not every toddler transgression is an opportunity to learn a life lesson.

I feel that as a certified child, who was spanked, I have plenty to offer in this debate.

Never said you didn't.

i took care of my baby brother everyday for the past 4 years

Are you primarily responsible for disciplining him?

 

[achilleszero]

Geez, you are a godless killing machine.

Ill have you know that my cat and dog are sitting in my lap (quite a feat considering the dog is a 45lb pitbull) and niether one like the idea about the sledgehammer or the cup.

 

[thekaje]

How old is your offspring?

Post-larval/quasi-pupa.

Hitting them is rarely necessary, and when it is, a mild smack on the ass is enough. I've never had to hit my blonde dog, and she's the best-behaved dog you'd ever want to meet. The brown dog needs a swat once in a while, but it's far, far, far from the ideal first response.

Just like with kids.

Oh, okay, I guess the problem is that I just enjoy the violence too much. It all happens in such a flash, and next thing I know there's blood everywhere. How do you do it? With what frequency do you recommend the use of power tools? What size bits are best for my drill?

 

[thekaje]

Geez, you are a godless killing machine.

Ill have you know that my cat and dog are sitting in my lap (quite a feat considering the dog is a 45lb pitbull) and niether one like the idea about the sledgehammer or the cup.

That image is way too cute for a nice faceless family forum like this.

 

[achilleszero]

That image is way too cute for a nice faceless family forum like this.

The nieghborhood wildlife, or neighborhood children for that matter, dont they're cute.

 

[Truronian]

While there is no doubt that slapping can turn perfectly acceptable kids, it's hardly the most sensible approach. It tells the kid that the way to settle disputes is through violence; if you have a problem with something someone does then hit them.

 

[thekaje]

Maybe he'll grow up to be a successful heavyweight boxer.

 

[PiMan]

Maybe they'll grow up to be a successful heavyweight boxer.

Sure, but there isn't a huge market for that. There is however, a huge market for jobs that don't involve violence.

 

[thekaje]

Oh yeah? Name one.

 

[Truronian]

Diplomat

 

[Camikaze]

So what is your alternative? No dessert? No dessert is going to keep them from screaming and kicking?

Perhaps not the first time, but they will learn if they want their apple pie.

You want them to follow orders not because they respect you, but because they'll get ice cream if they do?

Well, I would hope that they would learn to respect someone who doesn't resort to violence more so than someone who does. A reward/deprivation system is a perfectly valid teaching technique.

Spanking and smacking is to get them to follow orders because they fear you. Doesn't seem any better.

So you'd prefer your relationship with your kid be founded on a material reward/deprivation system? You want to buy obedience?

Smacking them is only 'buying' their obedience with fear. Resultant discipline isn't because they now realise the wrongs of their past, it is because they don't want to get hurt. It's simply playing on that natural instinct, which is wrong.

You guys. You train dogs by hitting them. You hit them, you yell at them, and you give them treats.

I'm pretty sure that's illegal...

 

[PiMan]

Oh yeah? Name one.

Diplomat is good. I'd also say nearly any desk job, as well as many jobs in manufacturing, and in most developed nations teaching is a non-violent profession.

 

[Akka]

Well, I would hope that they would learn to respect someone who doesn't resort to violence more so than someone who does. A reward/deprivation system is a perfectly valid teaching technique.

Actually, that's completely false.
People tends to respect more power than blackmail.
You wouldn't see the archetypes of the sexy and powerful hero against the sniveling corrupter if it wasn't the case

Smacking them is only 'buying' their obedience with fear. Resultant discipline isn't because they now realise the wrongs of their past, it is because they don't want to get hurt. It's simply playing on that natural instinct, which is wrong.

Spanking is a tool to maintain discipline when reason will not. It's not a tool to explain why it's something you shouldn't do.
Not every children will listen to reason (they are CHILDREN you know ?). Sometimes, you need to draw a line because they have to stop, regardless if they feel it justified or not.

I'm pretty sure that's illegal...

I'm pretty sure you should learn about the word "irony".