Would you walk away from Omelas?

What would you do?

  • I would vote in a poll because I feel an urgent need to vote in all polls I see!!!

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • I would stay in Omelas and be happy.

    Votes: 13 34.2%
  • I would walk away from Omelas.

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • I would try to free the child.

    Votes: 10 26.3%
  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .

Erik Mesoy

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Original text: The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas, a short story by Ursula K. LeGuin.

Summary for everyone thinking TL;DR:
Omelas is a utopian city. The inhabitants are happy, yet "not less complex
than us" for that reason. Perhaps they have trains and temples if those make people happy, likely they do not have secret police or slavery. The joy of Omelas is maintained by a sacrifice of sorts, a scapegoat, a child kept in misery and darkness. "It is so thin there are no calves to its legs; its belly protrudes; it lives on
a half-bowl of corn meal and grease a day. It is naked. Its buttocks and thighs are a mass of festered sores, as it sits in its own excrement continually."
And "the beauty of their city, the tenderness of their friendships, the health of
their children, the wisdom of their scholars, the skill of their makers, even the abundance of their harvest and the kindly weathers of their skies, depend wholly on this child's abominable misery." Children growing up in Omelas learn about this child as soon as they are old enough to understand it, usually between the ages of eight and twelve.
Sometimes people look at the singular unhappy child and leave Omelas. They never come back. "But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas."

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So. Utilitarianism would no doubt list Omelas as a better society than ours. A lot of other ethical theories would disagree. The poll asks what you would do if you lived in Omelas and thought of the child. This thread asks for a wider discussion of what yardstick we should measure a society by (total happiness?) and how much scapegoating, if any, is acceptable.
 
I'd nuke it.




After walking away.
 
Hell, we live almost like that now. I'd stay.
 
We sure do, except it is millions of kids in other countries.

I shall walk away from the 1st world, I will go live in Kenya.

The time has past for us to solve poverty with pennies. It doesn't work. We must fight poverty with our lives. Help to stop the brain drain. Follow me.
 
Let me put it this way: I morally ought to leave, but I'm not sure if I would, having (presumably) grown up in that environment. Freeing the child would be an act of supererogation.
 
Wait, so is it the same child kept from aging over the years, or do they get a new one every so often (and, I would suppose, kill the old one)?

Umm . . . not that it matters, ethically speaking, I don't think.
 
Sorry, I've already signed agreements in blood that facilitate the rescue of specific people who could end up in jail. Likewise, they'd respond to my incarceration. This child should have signed similiar agreements.
 
No I wouldn't walk away because there is no better alternative. In the current world we live in most of our stuff is made by a lot of people suffering in third world countries at least in Omelas there's only one child suffering.

It's nice to be moral, but sometimes you just have to be realistic :sad:
 
"the beauty of their city, the tenderness of their friendships, the health of
their children, the wisdom of their scholars, the skill of their makers, even the abundance of their harvest and the kindly weathers of their skies, depend wholly on this child's abominable misery."

So that all would end if the child's misery ended?
 
I think I'd stay.
Yet it is their tears and anger, the trying of their generosity and the acceptance of their helplessness, which are perhaps the true source of the splendor of their lives. Theirs is no vapid, irresponsible happiness. They know that they, like the child, are not free. They know compassion. It is the existence of the child, and their knowledge of its existence, that makes possible the nobility of their architecture, the poignancy of their music, the profundity of their science. It is because of the child that they are so gentle with children. They know that if the wretched one were not there sniveling in the dark, the other one, the flute-player, could make no joyful music as the young riders line up in their beauty for the race in the sunlight of the first morning of summer.

It seems they know precisely the exact worth of the sacrifice and the toll it has on their lives. It's much better than not acknowledging it or ignoring it. It makes them conscious of what they have and that they should cherish it.
 
Omelas is a better place than our world. 99.999% people are happy when .oo1% of the population is unhappy.

In our world it's 33% population is happy while 67% our population is poor and unhappy. Well although it is a first world-third world contrast. Omelas has a better solution than we have. They only sacrifice one for the good of all. We sacrifice two for the good of one.
 
Omelas is a better place than our world. 99.999% people are happy when .oo1% of the population is unhappy.

In our world it's 33% population is happy while 67% our population is poor and unhappy. Well although it is a first world-third world contrast. Omelas has a better solution than we have. They only sacrifice one for the good of all. We sacrifice two for the good of one.

Regardless of popular belief, its actually still possible to be poor AND still be happy.

Imagine that.

And I tend to agree with Fifty on this one. Perhaps the answer is that for there is always a cost for any such civilization, be it one child or a million. Its simply a question of how many you are willing to sacrifice to achieve it. One? Or millions?
 
Let me put it this way: I morally ought to leave, but I'm not sure if I would, having (presumably) grown up in that environment. Freeing the child would be an act of supererogation.

Why ought you to leave morally? Your departure doesn't free the child or hasten its liberation from bondage, so I don't see how taking some of the spoils of its suffering is really all that bad. In fact, it seems to me you would be acting very much like a vulture if you stayed: the animal is already dead, so I'm going to eat it; the child is already miserable, so I might as well be happy.

That's not to say I really like the whole arrangement.
 
I'd throw another kid down there just to see if it made the city better. Maybe one of Gadhafi's kids; we already offed one of them!
 
Why ought you to leave morally? Your departure doesn't free the child or hasten its liberation from bondage, so I don't see how taking some of the spoils of its suffering is really all that bad. In fact, it seems to me you would be acting very much like a vulture if you stayed: the animal is already dead, so I'm going to eat it; the child is already miserable, so I might as well be happy.

That's not to say I really like the whole arrangement.

But you don't have to live like a vulture.
 
Man, I, having been raised in isolation from such depravity, would like to think I'd walk away. If I had been raised where this was normal, I think I'd accept it.

In this world, sadly I accept it, just distance myself from it. I do the latter on the condition that the former stay true.

Wow that was actually a really good question.
 
Depends on what is beyond the city gates. Would I have to enter another society? I think the best option is if I could walk away and form my own society based on what I think is right.
 
I'd gather my party and set out for new lands. After all, there may be more suffering and death outside, but is sacrificing a child's happiness for the good of society worth the dishonor?
 
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