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[IrishDragon]

Sorry



Me too..



Agreed..if the media have a intention to manipulate..they tend to prefer assume a ''neutral position'' than assume a true position..because if they are neutral and they say 1+1=3 the people will think ''they don't are in any side so probably this is true..

And i want say a thing here..will be aproved a project to criminalize any criticism to politicians or parties in my country..so..how free are the internet in your respective countries?..you guys suffer some kind of censure?

In Ireland you're supposed to have representatives from both sides if you're hosting a debate in the broadcast media, or face a fine, doesn't apply to the print media.

Fairly free to criticize politicians here, but the thepiratebay is blocked, and a recent SOPA type legislation mean the media companies can basically tell it what websites it wants to shutdown/blocked by ISPs, even if they only link to copyright media, like a forum. Hasn't happened yet in practice other than forcing ISPs to block thepiratebay, but the legislation was awful and the useless Minister actually came out and said he'll listen to arguments from the other side but won't change the legislation one bit.

 

[Reus]

And i want say a thing here..will be aproved a project to criminalize any criticism to politicians or parties in my country..so..how free are the internet in your respective countries?..you guys suffer some kind of censure?

In Indonesia, criticizing/mocking politicians in daily life or in the media is the way of life. Because probably 85% of them are complete d-bags. The media is similar to the American ones... It is mostly free but SUPERBLY biased. Because the Media is owned by the "rich", "powerful", "famous", and "influential". In Indonesia if you fall into those four categories, it is most likely you become a politician some point at your life despite having no capabilities whatsoever to become someone that determines the fate of a county consisting of about 230 Million people. But yes.... criticism of politicians is quite free here. There are only few law that forbids you from doing so.
The harshest one is the Anti-Defamation Law.

But if you criticize: Religions, Founding Fathers, and Football Clubs
They might hang you.

On Internet censorship, things such as Social Media, Information, and other general content is free and uncensored. But Pornography and Offensive Anti-Religious content is censored here... for the latter, it is usually major things that have anti-Islamic contents. For both censorship(s) only the major and well-known sites and contents are censored. So you could still find both content unblocked if you look deep enough into the Internet.

Additionally, Piracy is Forbidden here in Indonesia; but like any other law that existed here, it is not enforced. So when you come to Indonesia and visit Middle-Lower class shopping centers, you will see many game retails that sell pirated games.

Torrent sites like PirateBay remains untouched because our 'secular' government is to busy purging heathen pornography out of our holy sacred homeland.

 

[BenZL43]

In Indonesia, criticizing/mocking politicians in daily life or in the media is the way of life.

Here some illustration to what Reus had said lol

This one refers to our president SBY (hence it's named SiBuYa)


This one for our vice president Boediono

 

[Reus]

This one refers to our president SBY (hence it's named SiBuYa)


This one for our vice president Boediono

Yup

But do the same to a religious figure or our founding fathers and you will be dead

And a question I have for Leoreth, and also the other members around here:
What are your MBTI test results ?

If you haven't had one go HERE

Do you think those kind of tests are accurate ?

 

[Chep]

Your personality type: INTP.

Strength of individual traits: Introversion - 20%, Intuition - 44%, Thinking - 18%, Prospecting - 47%.

I like those tests, they're fun but always far from the truth as they are influenced by your answers (the way you see yourself/want to be instead of how you really are) and limited by the "boxes" your results are later put in.

About the Internet...well it is free here in Germany (except for Nazi-stuff which is illegal here but then they have their sites in the US so nothing happens there), for now. There have been several attempts to change that and so far it has been averted.
With the Chaos Computer Club we have a group of hackers that are held in a pretty high regard (often showing how electronic voting machines can be hacked or why a new RFID-passport is unsafe...) who are often consulted by various politicians and the last big attempt at censoring the internet brought the Pirate Party to some importance and currently they are even in some regional parliaments, however their "star" is declining and Merkels administration has always been about surveillance and "safety" instead of freedom, so that might change in the next years.
But so far it the situation here is still way better than in most other countries in that regard.

 

[BenZL43]

What are your MBTI test results ?

Wow! I got ENFP.
Maybe I filled some wrong (you know lah, this is past midnight here lol haha), or this test have strange algorithm.
I often took tests like this, the 3 last letter is always NTP, only the first letter varies E or I because I'd say I'm precisely in the middle and being E/I depends on my mood lol.

It's accuracy for me depends on my mood, I guess. I can be both Introvert and Extrovert.

 

[Tigranes]

I don't think the BBC is generally accurate especially pertaining to other countries.
I think the reverse is true, where the BBC tends to paint a better picture of what's going on in Britain.

My car's satellite radio offers me choices of Public Radios, BBC World, MSNBC, CNN and Fox. They are all thoroughly pro-western. Never heard anything about China or Russia without sarcasm or some little negativity. It gets repetitive at times. Middle East coverage is mostly pro-western and pro-Israel. Syria coverage is anti-Assad. I wish Red Cross could create highly popular news outlet...

Russian news in internet are even more biased anti-West, but in little doses they help to balance radio news, so you can start your working day in perfect harmony with the world.

 

[Reus]

I like those tests, they're fun but always far from the truth as they are influenced by your answers (the way you see yourself/want to be instead of how you really are) and limited by the "boxes" your results are later put in.

Agreed.
I actually don't really tests that generalize people in such few and closed categories.
But this MBTI test from that particular website somehow gave a quite
accurate description of my personality.

Wow! I got ENFP.
Maybe I filled some wrong (you know lah, this is past midnight here lol haha), or this test have strange algorithm.
I often took tests like this, the 3 last letter is always NTP, only the first letter varies E or I because I'd say I'm precisely in the middle and being E/I depends on my mood lol.

It's accuracy for me depends on my mood, I guess. I can be both Introvert and Extrovert.

I got INTJ...
After trying 4 times with varying answers I still have the same results

 

[ales_]

Intp.

 

[yurisusuki]

In Indonesia, criticizing/mocking politicians in daily life or in the media is the way of life. Because probably 85% of them are complete d-bags. The media is similar to the American ones... It is mostly free but SUPERBLY biased. Because the Media is owned by the "rich", "powerful", "famous", and "influential". In Indonesia if you fall into those four categories, it is most likely you become a politician some point at your life despite having no capabilities whatsoever to become someone that determines the fate of a county consisting of about 230 Million people. But yes.... criticism of politicians is quite free here. There are only few law that forbids you from doing so.
The harshest one is the Anti-Defamation Law.

But if you criticize: Religions, Founding Fathers, and Football Clubs
They might hang you.

On Internet censorship, things such as Social Media, Information, and other general content is free and uncensored. But Pornography and Offensive Anti-Religious content is censored here... for the latter, it is usually major things that have anti-Islamic contents. For both censorship(s) only the major and well-known sites and contents are censored. So you could still find both content unblocked if you look deep enough into the Internet.

Additionally, Piracy is Forbidden here in Indonesia; but like any other law that existed here, it is not enforced. So when you come to Indonesia and visit Middle-Lower class shopping centers, you will see many game retails that sell pirated games.

Torrent sites like PirateBay remains untouched because our 'secular' government is to busy purging heathen pornography out of our holy sacred homeland.

Here they have anothers projects to control the internet..unfortunately this project is aproved..but if you have a different opinion than the government opinion here you tend to have your posts, sites or blogs censored

Yup

But do the same to a religious figure or our founding fathers and you will be dead

And a question I have for Leoreth, and also the other members around here:
What are your MBTI test results ?

If you haven't had one go HERE

Do you think those kind of tests are accurate ?

Oh well..i did 3 tests..my first result was INTJ(I Closed the box accidentally before reading the numbers.. so i did the second) and the result is INTP..but when i come here to post i saw the cheep post and he put the numbers..so i did a 3rd test and the result is INTJ Strength of individual traits: Introversion - 38%, Intuition - 13%, Thinking - 27%, Judging - 11%



I don't think they are very accurate..i make 3 tests and i have 2 different results..obviously because my answers are not exactly the same(So maybe i am between the two results (A INTP/J?)..but i think this tests have some kind of accurate..based in personality description

I like those tests, they're fun but always far from the truth as they are influenced by your answers (the way you see yourself/want to be instead of how you really are) and limited by the "boxes" your results are later put in.

About the Internet...well it is free here in Germany (except for Nazi-stuff which is illegal here but then they have their sites in the US so nothing happens there), for now. There have been several attempts to change that and so far it has been averted.
With the Chaos Computer Club we have a group of hackers that are held in a pretty high regard (often showing how electronic voting machines can be hacked or why a new RFID-passport is unsafe...) who are often consulted by various politicians and the last big attempt at censoring the internet brought the Pirate Party to some importance and currently they are even in some regional parliaments, however their "star" is declining and Merkels administration has always been about surveillance and "safety" instead of freedom, so that might change in the next years.
But so far it the situation here is still way better than in most other countries in that regard.

Germany uses electronic voting machines?
This machines are similar to this?

The machine of corruption



well the internet in Germany, Ireland and Indonesia are better than here..

 

[Reus]

I don't think they are very accurate..i make 3 tests and i have 2 different results..obviously because my answers are not exactly the same(So maybe i am between the two results (A INTP/J?)..but i think this tests have some kind of accurate..based in personality description

By now I have tried on two other different sites and still got the very same result

well the internet in Germany, Ireland and Indonesia are better than here..

Well..... at least until our government runs out of problem (which they never will) in the real world and decide to create trouble in the digital world like the First World Nations does...


What's with the Internet in Brazil ? The most mind-boggling thing I heard so far from there is the outrageous price for XBOX and PlayStation.

 

[Chep]

Germany uses electronic voting machines?

no.

they briefly suggested it in the late 80s/early 90s I think and then they were forbidden as they could be too easily manipulated. This is always why I find it funny when I hear that some states in the US (I remember Florida) relies on these things.

edit: concerning the internet I think nothing beats the "Glorious Swedish Internet" (phrase from a SC2-match).
I remember reading that they had 100MBit-connections back in 2009 and 50MBit was common then.

 

[yurisusuki]

By now I have tried on two other different sites and still got the very same result



Well..... at least until our government runs out of problem (which they never will) in the real world and decide to create trouble in the digital world like the First World Nations does...


What's with the Internet in Brazil ? The most mind-boggling thing I heard so far from there is the outrageous price for XBOX and PlayStation.

Here the Playstation 4 cost 2000 U$$(Expensive?) but everything here is expensive..just to you have a notion..a car builded in Brazil cost here 20.000 U$$...but in Mexico cost 9.000U$$..about the Playstation..the Sony say the price is so high because of high Taxes(If i remember well Brazil have the most high taxes of the world) but i think the true reason is the HueHue BR monkeys..

Our internet is expensive and slow..the government basicaly control the TV..but in the internet the situations are very different..a thousand of criticism to the government and the corrupt politicians..notices about how bad our situation are..in TV you normally see lies like '' our economy grow a lot and we are better than Europe and USA''..''millions of people join the middle class''..''millions left the misery''..

But in internet this lies are refuted and with a lot of proves..so they want control this..they try censure this with persecution and deleting the criticism but its hard..so the only way to stop this and ''exterminate'' the growing opposition is controlling the internet

Just to give a example of what i talking about..the official numbers say we have 12 million people unemployed but the true number is something like 42 millions of people..the government consider ''middle class'' who have the income of 150U$$(+/-) to 550U$$(+/-)..

The major project to controll the internet have a article with a objectiv to give a equal speed to everyone..but this speed will need to be a minimal..so if i pay for a high speed internet and another people who acess the same site than me who have a low speed..my speed will be a slow too..with a low acess we have less information..all our information will be in hands of government(The USA government refused to give the informations about brazilians internauts collected by NSA to our government..so they want a way to do this by themselves)..

In the last year we have various protests against everything..and they are afraid to this happen again during the world cup..and this protests just happened because the internet give a good way to organize this..at the beggining the protests are organized by groups linked with the government..but when the people go to the streets the way was changed and the focus turned to the governent..well we have a billions of problems i will stop ther or i will write a book here

 

[IrishDragon]

no.

they briefly suggested it in the late 80s/early 90s I think and then they were forbidden as they could be too easily manipulated. This is always why I find it funny when I hear that some states in the US (I remember Florida) relies on these things.

It's a pity the Irish government couldn't have just looked at the German report or just used some common sense. Instead they forked out €50m for the machines, tried them out and found they couldn't be relied upon, and they were locked up in storage costing nearly €1 million a year, before being sold for scrap for just €70,000 (which was €9 each per machine).

 

[trexeric]

If you haven't had one go HERE

Do you think those kind of tests are accurate ?

I got INTP which, after reading through the personality stuff, is eerily accurate.

 

[mrrandomplayer]

I got INFJ, which describes me surprisingly well.

 

[The Diocletian]

INTP.

I'm always all over the place on these tests, so I always take the results with a grain of salt.

 

[Leoreth]

Agreed..if the media have a intention to manipulate..they tend to prefer assume a ''neutral position'' than assume a true position..because if they are neutral and they say 1+1=3 the people will think ''they don't are in any side so probably this is true..

I was mainly talking about situations where person A says 1+1=2 and person B says 1+1=4 and both positions are covered as equivalent ("or maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle" ).

And a question I have for Leoreth, and also the other members around here:
What are your MBTI test results ?

If you haven't had one go HERE

Do you think those kind of tests are accurate ?

Oh, I took such a test one and turned out to be INTJ.

Generally I don't like online personality tests, but MBTI seems to work pretty well for all the people I know that have taken it.

Germany uses electronic voting machines?
This machines are similar to this?

The machine of corruption

Fortunately we don't.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

And a question I have for Leoreth, and also the other members around here:
What are your MBTI test results ?

Do you think those kind of tests are accurate?

ENFP

Extravert (100%) Intuitive (62%) Feeling (38%) Perceiving (44)%

I don't swear by these, but they're interesting and fun to take.

My car's satellite radio offers me choices of Public Radios, BBC World, MSNBC, CNN and Fox. They are all thoroughly pro-western. Never heard anything about China or Russia without sarcasm or some little negativity. It gets repetitive at times. Middle East coverage is mostly pro-western and pro-Israel. Syria coverage is anti-Assad. I wish Red Cross could create highly popular news outlet...

Russian news in internet are even more biased anti-West, but in little doses they help to balance radio news, so you can start your working day in perfect harmony with the world.

I agree. I've watched RussiaToday a couple times before, and sometimes read Xinhua.
I think what you've said is better articulated than what I said.
Essentially, these networks are all a reflection of each individual nation's own geopolitical interests and become a tool as such.
The most blatant one would probably be Foreign Policy.

Have you ever read Edward Said's Orientalism, Tigranes?
I often do feel that depictions of Asians and Asian Americans in the media
do not correctly align with my own experiences.
A parallel I can draw from depictions of Middle Easterners in the American media as detailed in his book.

edit: concerning the internet I think nothing beats the "Glorious Swedish Internet" (phrase from a SC2-match).
I remember reading that they had 100MBit-connections back in 2009 and 50MBit was common then.

You forgot South Corea. Also, the SC2 capital.

 

[Chep]

true, completely forget that they probably have an even better one. I'd love to visit Corea one day