Wrong time for evangelism?

[Farm Boy]

I quite like your take. The fact that the patient has praised the intervention, the EMT should not be punished. A patient complaining about the intervention would've been a different scenario. This means that the EMT can be told not to do it again, but without any real sense of 'slapping him on the wrist'.

Indeed. Though I'm not sure even being told not to do it again is appropriate, considering the EMT's question in fairly common speech is remarkably similar to, "would you like to pray?" It's a question without a universal answer, and it's deeply personal - profoundly so as somebody approaches a likely end of life - but merely feeling out if somebody would like to have the line of conversation(and many would find it a source of comfort), and accepting a "No." should that be the answer, seems to be praiseworthy rather than deserving of contempt.

 

[timtofly]

Maybe. But then there's the side question whether there should be a legal remedy to the temptation.

Unless the medic becomes an atheist, I doubt temptation would apply in this situation. When it comes to the gospel there are no regrets.

Spoiler :

Temptation is the desire to perform an action that one may enjoy immediately or in the short term but will probably later regret for various reasons.

 

[Calvinist]

it doesn't really matter. Any supposed medical professional should know this is far beyond what is acceptable, regardless of whether or not he works for the government or not. But I think we can agree that if he was a civil servant, which he quite likely was, that it would be even worse.

Frankly, I think we should redefine "Civil servant". Ultimately, what it means is someone who makes their income off money stolen by the government. That's the bottom line.

Having the government forcibly take control of nearly half the economy, and then trying to control what people who work for the government can and cannot say, is a recipe for tyranny. But frankly, I've listened to enough of you to know that you hate liberty in all its forms.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Indeed. Though I'm not sure even being told not to do it again is appropriate, considering the EMT's question in fairly common speech is remarkably similar to, "would you like to pray?"

Asking a non-believer who may be dying if he has accepted Jesus as his personal savior is hardly "would you like to pray"?

But even so, even that would be well beyond what any medical professional should say to someone who might be dying.

Frankly, I think we should redefine "Civil servant". Ultimately, what it means is someone who makes their income off money stolen by the government. That's the bottom line.

Having the government forcibly take control of nearly half the economy, and then trying to control what people who work for the government can and cannot say, is a recipe for tyranny. But frankly, I've listened to enough of you to know that you hate liberty in all its forms.

There is no doubt that I don't particularly like you own personal form of "liberty" as you just described it here. But don't confuse it for my own, or most anybody else's, for that matter.

Besides I'm quite happy to know that properly trained cops, firemen, and paramedics will come within minutes of me calling 911.

 

[Akka]

Okay. Presuming for the moment that the conduct was unacceptable then what is the solution?

Scold the medic and (try to) explain him what is acceptable and what isn't - the problem being that obviously, someone like that IS probably feeling that what he did WAS acceptable.

Some people have advocated for government to pass laws to prevent such behavior. I think that is such behavior is truly unacceptable than it should be resolved by the employer and/or any professional organizations, rather than passing a law to fix it.

AFAIK, there already is laws able to tackle that (be it professionnal code of conduct or the like), and so I don't see the point of making new ones.

Indeed. Though I'm not sure even being told not to do it again is appropriate, considering the EMT's question in fairly common speech is remarkably similar to, "would you like to pray?" It's a question without a universal answer, and it's deeply personal - profoundly so as somebody approaches a likely end of life - but merely feeling out if somebody would like to have the line of conversation(and many would find it a source of comfort), and accepting a "No." should that be the answer, seems to be praiseworthy rather than deserving of contempt.

Have to say, a LOT of the situation depends on the exact formulation.
Saying "do you wish to pray ?" feels like an inquiry in case the patient is a believer, saying "did you accept Jesus to save your soul ?" feels like militant proselytism.

 

[Traitorfish]

Frankly, I think we should redefine "Civil servant". Ultimately, what it means is someone who makes their income off money stolen by the government. That's the bottom line.

Having the government forcibly take control of nearly half the economy, and then trying to control what people who work for the government can and cannot say, is a recipe for tyranny. But frankly, I've listened to enough of you to know that you hate liberty in all its forms.

Yeah, you're definitely GhostWriter.

 

[useless]

Frankly, I think we should redefine "Civil servant". Ultimately, what it means is someone who makes their income off money stolen by the government. That's the bottom line.

Having the government forcibly take control of nearly half the economy, and then trying to control what people who work for the government can and cannot say, is a recipe for tyranny. But frankly, I've listened to enough of you to know that you hate liberty in all its forms.

Tell us more about this liberty you speak off, dommy

 

[Traitorfish]

Well, when an eccentric gynaecologist and a thinly-veiled neo-Confederate agenda love each other very much, they decide to have a baby...

 

[useless]

Well, when an eccentric gynaecologist and a thinly-veiled neo-Confederate agenda love each other very much, they decide to have a baby...

Who isn't a racist, but just so happens to spout racist ideas and beliefs and tries to actively court racists with his newsletter, that his publishes and gets profit from...

 

[Traitorfish]

Which, you've got to hand it to them, is pretty sophisticated politicking for a baby.

 

[Akka]

Yeah, you're definitely GhostWriter.

Tell us more about this liberty you speak off, dommy

If you've recognized him, you know it's totally pointless to talk to him, so stop feeding him, mmh ?

 

[Borachio]

The sport is: we just don't know for sure.

Think of it like picking at a scab. Pointless. But irresistible.

 

[Traitorfish]

If you've recognized him, you know it's totally pointless to talk to him, so stop feeding him, mmh ?

It's not totally pointless. Just slow going. Like mining granite with a teaspoon. It'll take a lot of time, and a lot of teaspoons, but persistence will leave its mark.

 

[Borachio]

But wait. He may say the same thing of you.

 

[El_Machinae]

Yes. Best-case scenario, both sides end up being elevated due to the conversation.

 

[Akka]

Yes. Best-case scenario, both sides end up being elevated due to the conversation.

And most probable-case scenario, it just ends up like how it ended up during the several previous years and half the threads on the forum are derailed into the same copy-pasted arguments and answers for monthes straight.

 

[JollyRoger]

And most probable-case scenario, it just ends up like how it ended up during the several previous years and half the threads on the forum are derailed into the same copy-pasted arguments and answers for monthes straight.

Except when they become further derailed by the same copy-pasted side-arguments and answers on how to deal with it.

 

[Akka]

Think of it as M.A.D. defense : if you derail threads, Soviet Russia will derail you.

 

[El_Machinae]

And most probable-case scenario, it just ends up like how it ended up during the several previous years and half the threads on the forum are derailed into the same copy-pasted arguments and answers for monthes straight.

Better than that previous guy who claimed to be Christian. Then it was the old "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." expression given life

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yeah, you're definitely GhostWriter.

That one is easy enough to check.

Hi Calvinist, don't you agree that Ron Paul really is a sorry excuse for a politician who has duped some slow-wits into believing the nonsense he spouts without a single instance of critical thinking, maily because the slow-wits are in love with the image of rebelling against some imaginary evil intrusive State and them playing the role of the rebel alliance valiantly fighting for freedom, or similar types of fairy tales these slow-wits tell themselves?