WTC Mosque Part Four!!!

[Smellincoffee]

How about simply interpreting the acts of the followers of said religion?

I dont think thats unfair, do you?



In all fairness, the acts of islamic terrorism, and cruelty to women far, far, FAR, outpace any issues the catholics have had with pedophile priests.



All you gotta do to realize that is watch the daily news or read a paper.

The daily news is horse puckey. They write what entertains, focusing on drama and violence and in the process creating false images. Television is in no way an accurate representation of the world. It is idle amusement.

 

[useless]

How about simply interpreting the acts of the followers of said religion?

I dont think thats unfair, do you?



In all fairness, the acts of islamic terrorism, and cruelty to women far, far, FAR, outpace any issues the catholics have had with pedophile priests.



All you gotta do to realize that is watch the daily news or read a paper.

I've seen Protestant Christians kill abortion doctors and rally against homosexuality, does that therefore mean christianity and protestants have an inherent desire to repress homosexuals and kill abortion doctors? Because by applying terrorism to Islam, you are essentially doing exactly this.

What's your point? Both are just as dispacable, disgusting and life altering. Christianity isn't known for it's incredibly good treatment of women, Mob, especially catholicism.

The news, which is eager to equate Muslims and Islam to terrorism, when the reality is that most (despite being failures) terrorist acts are actually committed by eco-terrorists, not Muslims.

 

[MobBoss]

I've seen Protestant Christians kill abortion doctors

You mean you've read about it.

Exactly how many times has this happened in the last 20 years?

Care to answer the question?

Now compare that number to the number of terrorist attacks by muslims over the last 20 years.

Now give me the ratio you find.

The news, which is eager to equate Muslims and Islam to terrorism

Its not 'eager' to, its just that the news recognizes the fact that the vast majority of terrorist attacks done worldwide are indeed done by muslims.

Some years back, there was a muslim, an egyptian I think (I could be wrong) who lamented in a media piece (and I paraphrase): 'its true that not all muslims are terrorists, but its also true that most terrorists are muslims'.

To ignore that fact is to ignore the issues surrounding radical and fanatical islamic believers.

when the reality is that most (despite being failures) terrorist acts are actually committed by eco-terrorists, not Muslims.

Really? Proof please.

 

[Traitorfish]

I though that this was pretty poignant:


Link to video.

 

[Leonel]

It's a sad state of affairs when Muslims need to convince America that they aren't going to take over and turn America into some sort of Islamic terrorist state.

 

[El_Machinae]

You mean you've read about it.

Exactly how many times has this happened in the last 20 years?

Care to answer the question?

Now compare that number to the number of terrorist attacks by muslims over the last 20 years.

Now give me the ratio you find.

You're aware that Christian anti-abortion terrorism far outstrips Muslim terrorism within the US, right?

It is important to not narrowly define "terrorism" in order to mainly include the group that you're seeking to indict. This is the same trap that people fall into when talking about 'honor killings'; they forget that a great deal of domestic violence is 'honor based', but ignore the parts that involve the culture we're familiar with.

 

[MobBoss]

You're aware that Christian anti-abortion terrorism far outstrips Muslim terrorism within the US, right?

No, I am not aware of that, and would definitely like to see your proofs.

Although I strongly suspect you will roll out figures from decades upon decades ago to try and legitimize your point, or sufficiently move goalposts to include incidents that werent really 'terrorism'. How about keeping it fairly recent...say the last 30 years or so, and keeping it to significant events, i.e. bombings or specific murders that would qualify as terrorism or terroristic in nature. Also, dont forget to add in attacks that occurred outside the USA but still against American citizens or american targets.

Does it still outstrip it?

 

[El_Machinae]

Typical Christian trying to downplay anti-abortion terrorism They just don't do enough to condemn it.

However, people are being unfair wrt the abortion terrorism. There is nothing in Christianity that encourages followers to: a) believe that fetuses deserve protection (it's merely something added onto the faith by societal convention) or b) to use violence to protect babies from harm. Even if the bomber is Christian, his actions are not based on anything that's in Christianity.

 

[Cutlass]

Not to mention America's long history of terrorism against minorities of all kinds.

List of terrorist acts in the US in past 10 years against a particular despised minority group:

Spoiler :

* On July 3, 2000, in Grant Town, West Virginia, Arthur "J.R." Warren was punched and kicked to death by two teenage boys who reportedly believed Warren had spread a rumor that he and one of the boys, David Allen Parker, had a sexual relationship. Warren's killers ran over his body to disguise the murder as a hit-and-run. Parker pleaded guilty and was sentenced to "life in prison with mercy", making him eligible for parole after 15 years.[130] His accomplice, Jared Wilson, was sentenced to 20 years.[131]
* On September 22, 2000, Ronald Gay entered a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia and opened fire on the patrons, killing Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others. Ronald said he was angry over what his name now meant, and deeply upset that three of his sons had changed their surname. He claimed that he had been told by God to find and kill lesbians and gay men, describing himself as a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord;" Gay testified in court that "he wished he could have killed more fags," before several of the shooting victims as well as Danny Overstreet's family and friends.[132]
* On June 16, 2001, Fred Martinez, a transgender and two-spirit student was bludgeoned to death near Cortez, Colorado by 18-year-old Shaun Murphy, who reportedly bragged about attacking a "fag".[133][134]
* On June 12, 2002, Philip Walsted, a gay man, was fatally beaten with a baseball bat. According to prosecutors, the neo-Nazi views of Walsted's assailant's, David Higdon, led to what was originally a robbery escalating to murder. Higdon was sentenced to life in prison, plus an additional sentence for robbery.[135]
* The December 2002 homicide of Nizah Morris, a trans woman in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
* The killing of Gwen Araujo, a trans woman, by at least three men who were charged with committing a hate crime. Two were convicted of murder, the third manslaughter; however, the jury rejected the hate crime enhancement.
* On May 11, 2003, Sakia Gunn, a 15-year-old lesbian, was murdered in a hate crime in Newark, New Jersey. While waiting for a bus, Gunn and her friends were propositioned by two men. When the girls rejected their advances, declaring themselves to be lesbians, the men attacked them. One of the men, Richard McCullough, fatally stabbed Gunn. In exchange for his pleading guilty to several lesser crimes including aggravated manslaughter, prosecutors dropped murder charges against McCullough, who was sentenced to 20 years.[136][137]
* On June 17, 2003, Richie Phillips of Elizabethtown, Kentucky was killed by Joseph Cottrell. His body was later found in a suitcase in Rough River Lake. During his trial, two of Cottrell's relatives testified that he lured Phillips to his death, and killed him because he was gay.[138] Cottrell was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.[139]
* On July 23, 2003, Nireah Johnson and Brandie Coleman were shot to death by Paul Moore, when Moore learned after a sexual encounter that Johnson was transgender.[140] Moore then burned his victims' bodies. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 120 years in prison.[141]
* On July 31, 2003, 37-year-old Glenn Kopitske was shot and stabbed in the back by 17-year-old Gary Hirte, a straight-A student, star athlete[142] and Eagle Scout,[143] in Winnebago County, Wisconsin. Prosecutors contended that Hirte murdered Kopitske to see if he could get away with it.[144] Hirte pleaded insanity, claiming he killed Kopitske in a murderous rage after a consensual sexual encounter with the victim, because he felt a homosexual act was "worse than murder". The 'temporary insanity' mitigation plea was not upheld, he was found guilty, and received a life sentence.
* On July 22, 2004, Scotty Joe Weaver was an 18 year-old murder victim from Bay Minette, Alabama, whose burned and partially decomposed body was discovered a few miles from the mobile home in which he lived. He was beaten, strangled and stabbed numerous times, partially decapitated, and his body was doused in gasoline and set on fire.
* On October 2, 2004, multiple assailants in Waverly, Ohio, attacked Daniel Fetty, a gay man who was hearing-impaired and homeless. Fetty was beaten, stomped, shoved nude into a garbage bin, impaled with a stick, and left for dead; he succumbed to his injuries the next day. Prosecuters alleged a hate crime. Three men received sentences ranging from seven years to life.[citation needed]
* On January 28, 2005, Ronnie Antonio Paris, a three-year-old boy living in Tampa, Florida, died due to brain injuries inflicted by his father, Ronnie Paris, Jr. According to his mother and other relatives, Ronnie Paris, Jr., repeatedly slammed his son into walls, slapped the child's head, and "boxed" him because he was concerned the child was gay and would grow up a sissy. Paris was sentenced to thirty years in prison.[145][146]
* On February 27, 2005, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, 21-year-old James Maestas was assaulted outside a restaurant, then followed to a hotel and beaten unconscious by men who called him "*" during the attack. Although all of his attackers were charged with committing a hate crime, none was sentenced to prison.{facdt|date=August 2010}}
* On March 11, 2005, Jason Gage, an openly gay man, was murdered in his Waterloo, Iowa, apartment by an assailant, Joseph Lawrence, who claimed Gage had made sexual advance to him. Gage was bludgeoned to death with a bottle, and stabbed in the neck, probably post-mortem, with a shard of glass.[147] Lawrence was sentenced to fifty years in prison.
* On February 2, 2006, 18-year-old Jacob D. Robida entered a bar in New Bedford, Massachusetts, confirmed that it was a gay bar, and then attacked patrons with a hatchet and a handgun, wounding three.[148] He fatally shot himself three days later.[149]
* On June 10, 2006, Kevin Aviance, a female impressionist, musician, and fashion designer, was robbed and beaten in Manhattan by a group of men who yelled anti-gay slurs at him. Four assailants pleaded guilty and received prison sentences.[150]
* On July 30, 2006, six men were attacked with baseball bats and knives after leaving the San Diego, California Gay Pride festival. One victim was injured so severely that he had to undergo extensive facial reconstructive surgery. Three men pleaded guilty in connection with the attacks and received prison sentences. A 15-year-old juvenile also pleaded guilty.[151][152]
* On August 18, 2006, an altercation occurred in Manhattan between a man and seven black lesbians from Newark, New Jersey. During the altercation, the man was stabbed. The women claim that they acted in self-defense after he screamed homophobic epithets, spit on them, and pulled one of their weaves off,[153] while he has described the attack as "a hate crime against a straight man."[154]
* On October 8, 2006, Michael Sandy was attacked by four young heterosexual men who lured him into meeting after chatting online, while they were looking for gay men to rob. He was struck by a car while trying to escape his attackers, and died five days later without regaining consciousness.[155][156]
* On February 27, 2007 in Detroit, Michigan, Andrew Anthos, a 72-year-old disabled gay man, was beaten with a lead pipe by a man who was shouting anti-gay names at him. Anthos died 10 days later in the hospital.[157]
* On March 15, 2007, in Wahneta, Florida, Ryan Keith Skipper, a 25 year old gay man was stabbed to death. Four suspects were arrested for the crime. The Sheriff is calling it a hate crime.[158]
* On May 12, 2007, Roberto Duncanson was murdered in Brooklyn, New York. He was stabbed to death by Omar Willock, who claimed Duncanson had flirted with him.[159]
* May 16, 2007, Sean William Kennedy, 20, was walking to his car from Brew's Bar in Greenville, SC when Stephen Andrew Moller, 18, got out of another car and approached Kennedy. Investigators said that Moller made a comment about Kennedy's sexual orientation, and threw a fatal punch because he didn't like the other man's sexual preference.[160]
* On December 8, 2007, 25-year-old gay man Nathaniel Salerno was attacked by four men on a Metro train in Washington, DC. The men called him "*" while they beat him.[161]
* In February 2008, Duanna Johnson, a transsexual woman, was beaten by a police officer while she was held in the Shelby County Criminal Justice Center in Tennessee. Johnson said the officers reportedly called her a “*” and “he-she,” before and during the incident.[162][163] In November 2008, she was found dead in the street, reportedly gunned down by three unknown individuals.[164]
* On February 12, 2008, Lawrence "Larry" King, a 15 year old junior highschool student was shot twice by a classmate at E.O. Green School in Oxnard, California. He was taken off life support after doctors declared him brain dead on February 15.[165] According to Associated Press reports, "prosecutors have charged a 14-year-old classmate with premeditated murder with hate-crime and firearm-use enhancements".[166][167][168]
* In Rochester, New York on March 16, 2008, police say Lance Neve was beaten unconscious because Neve was gay. A man attacked Neve at a bar leaving him with a fractured skull, and a broken nose.[169] Jesse Parsons was sentenced to more than five years in prison for the assault.[170][171]
* In Baltimore County, Maryland on May 29, 2008, eighteen year old Steven Parrish—a member of the Young Swans subgroup of the Bloods—was murdered by Steven T. Hollis III and Juan L. Flythe after they found "gay messages" on his cell phone. They felt having a gay member would make their gang appear weak and that by killing Parrish they could prevent that perception.[172]
* On June 9, 2008, Jeremy Waggoner, an openly gay hairstylist from Royal Oak, Michigan, was brutally murdered in Detroit. His murder is still unsolved.[173]
* On July 17, 2008, in Colorado, 18 year old Angie Zapata, a trans woman, was beaten to death two days after meeting Allen Ray Andrade. The case was prosecuted as a hate crime, and Andrade was found guilty of first degree murder on April 22, 2009.[174]
* September 7, 2008 – Tony Randolph Hunter, 27, and his partner were attacked and beaten near a gay bar in Washington DC. Hunter later died from his injuries on September 18. Police are investigating it as a possible hate crime.[175][176]
* On September 13, 2008, in Denver, Colorado 26 year old Nima Daivari was attacked by a man who called him "*". The police that arrived on the scene refused to make a report of the attack.[177]
* September 15, 2008 – A Bourbonnais, Illinois elementary school bus driver was charged with leading a homophobic attack on a 10-year old student passenger. The boy was taunted by the driver who then encouraged other students to chase and beat the child.[178]
* On November 7, 2008, in Newton, NC the home of openly gay Melvin Whistlehunt was destroyed by arsonists. Investigators found homophobic graffiti spray painted on the back of the house.[179]
* On November 14, 2008, a 22 year old transgender woman, Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY because he thought she was gay.[180] Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses "Teish" Cannon.[181] DeLee was convicted of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime on July 17, 2009, and received the maximum sentence of 25 years in state prison. This was only the second time in the nation’s history that a person was prosecuted for a hate crime against a transgender person and the first hate crime conviction in New York state.[182][183][184]
* On December 7, 2008, Romel Sucuzhanya, a 31 year old straight Ecuadorean and his brother Jose, were attacked on a Brooklyn, New York street for appearing to be gay and for being Latino; they were walking arm-in-arm, which is normal for brothers in their culture. Romel later died from his injuries.[185]
* On December 12, 2008, in Richmond, California a 28 year old lesbian was kidnapped and gang raped by four men who made homophobic remarks during the attack.[186]
* On December 27, 2008, in Dayton, Ohio 24-year-old Nathan Runkle was brutally assaulted outside a gay nightclub.[187]
* On February 15, 2009, in New York City Efosa Agbontaen and Branden McGillvery-Dummett were attacked by four young men with glass bottles and box cutters who used anti-gay slurs during the attack. Agbontaen and McGillvery-Dummett both required emergency room treatment for their injuries.[188]
* On February 18, 2009, two men were arrested in Stroudsburg, PA for the stabbing death of gay veteran Michael Goucher.[189]
* On March 1, 2009, in Galveston, Texas three men entered Roberts Lafitte bar and attacked patrons with rocks. One of the victims, Marc Bosaw, was sent to the emergency room to have twelve staples in his head.[190]
* On March 14, 2009, a gay couple leaving a Britney Spears concert in Newark, New Jersey were attacked by 15 teens. Josh Kehoe and Bobby Daniel Caldwell were called "*" and beaten. Caldwell suffered a broken jaw.[191]
* On March 23, 2009, in Seaside, Oregon two gay men were attacked and left lying unconscious on a local beach. The men regained consciousness and were treated at a nearby hospital.[192]
* On April 6, 2009, Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, an 11 year old child in Springfield, Massachusetts, hanged himself with an extension cord after being bullied all school year by peers who said "he acted feminine" and was gay.[193]
* On April 11, 2009, a gay man in Gloucester, Massachusetts was attacked and beaten by as many as six people outside a bar. Justin Goodwin, 36, of Salem suffered a shattered jaw, broken eye socket, broken nose and broken cheekbone.[194]
* On June 30, 2009, Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton. LGBT community leaders "citing military sources initially said that Provost’s death was a hate crime."[195] Provost had been harassed because of his sexual orientation.[195] Military leaders have since explained that "whatever the investigation concludes, the military’s “Don't ask, don't tell” policy prevented Provost from seeking help."[195] Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay (or bisexual according to some family and sources);[196][197][198][199][200] the killer committed suicide a week later after admitting the murder, the Navy have not concluded if this was a hate crime.[201]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people#USA

Can't help wondering how many of those American terrorists thought they were OK to commit terrorism because Christianity condemns the victims.

 

[JollyRoger]

You mean you've read about it.

Exactly how many times has this happened in the last 20 years?

Care to answer the question?

Now compare that number to the number of terrorist attacks by muslims over the last 20 years.

Now give me the ratio you find.

In Texas over the past 20 years, there have been numerous examples of Christian women murdering their own children. It is safer to be the child of a Muslim woman here.

 

[dosed150]

Not to mention America's long history of terrorism against minorities of all kinds.

List of terrorist acts in the US in past 10 years against a particular despised minority group:

Spoiler :

* On July 3, 2000, in Grant Town, West Virginia, Arthur "J.R." Warren was punched and kicked to death by two teenage boys who reportedly believed Warren had spread a rumor that he and one of the boys, David Allen Parker, had a sexual relationship. Warren's killers ran over his body to disguise the murder as a hit-and-run. Parker pleaded guilty and was sentenced to "life in prison with mercy", making him eligible for parole after 15 years.[130] His accomplice, Jared Wilson, was sentenced to 20 years.[131]
* On September 22, 2000, Ronald Gay entered a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia and opened fire on the patrons, killing Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others. Ronald said he was angry over what his name now meant, and deeply upset that three of his sons had changed their surname. He claimed that he had been told by God to find and kill lesbians and gay men, describing himself as a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord;" Gay testified in court that "he wished he could have killed more fags," before several of the shooting victims as well as Danny Overstreet's family and friends.[132]
* On June 16, 2001, Fred Martinez, a transgender and two-spirit student was bludgeoned to death near Cortez, Colorado by 18-year-old Shaun Murphy, who reportedly bragged about attacking a "fag".[133][134]
* On June 12, 2002, Philip Walsted, a gay man, was fatally beaten with a baseball bat. According to prosecutors, the neo-Nazi views of Walsted's assailant's, David Higdon, led to what was originally a robbery escalating to murder. Higdon was sentenced to life in prison, plus an additional sentence for robbery.[135]
* The December 2002 homicide of Nizah Morris, a trans woman in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
* The killing of Gwen Araujo, a trans woman, by at least three men who were charged with committing a hate crime. Two were convicted of murder, the third manslaughter; however, the jury rejected the hate crime enhancement.
* On May 11, 2003, Sakia Gunn, a 15-year-old lesbian, was murdered in a hate crime in Newark, New Jersey. While waiting for a bus, Gunn and her friends were propositioned by two men. When the girls rejected their advances, declaring themselves to be lesbians, the men attacked them. One of the men, Richard McCullough, fatally stabbed Gunn. In exchange for his pleading guilty to several lesser crimes including aggravated manslaughter, prosecutors dropped murder charges against McCullough, who was sentenced to 20 years.[136][137]
* On June 17, 2003, Richie Phillips of Elizabethtown, Kentucky was killed by Joseph Cottrell. His body was later found in a suitcase in Rough River Lake. During his trial, two of Cottrell's relatives testified that he lured Phillips to his death, and killed him because he was gay.[138] Cottrell was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.[139]
* On July 23, 2003, Nireah Johnson and Brandie Coleman were shot to death by Paul Moore, when Moore learned after a sexual encounter that Johnson was transgender.[140] Moore then burned his victims' bodies. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 120 years in prison.[141]
* On July 31, 2003, 37-year-old Glenn Kopitske was shot and stabbed in the back by 17-year-old Gary Hirte, a straight-A student, star athlete[142] and Eagle Scout,[143] in Winnebago County, Wisconsin. Prosecutors contended that Hirte murdered Kopitske to see if he could get away with it.[144] Hirte pleaded insanity, claiming he killed Kopitske in a murderous rage after a consensual sexual encounter with the victim, because he felt a homosexual act was "worse than murder". The 'temporary insanity' mitigation plea was not upheld, he was found guilty, and received a life sentence.
* On July 22, 2004, Scotty Joe Weaver was an 18 year-old murder victim from Bay Minette, Alabama, whose burned and partially decomposed body was discovered a few miles from the mobile home in which he lived. He was beaten, strangled and stabbed numerous times, partially decapitated, and his body was doused in gasoline and set on fire.
* On October 2, 2004, multiple assailants in Waverly, Ohio, attacked Daniel Fetty, a gay man who was hearing-impaired and homeless. Fetty was beaten, stomped, shoved nude into a garbage bin, impaled with a stick, and left for dead; he succumbed to his injuries the next day. Prosecuters alleged a hate crime. Three men received sentences ranging from seven years to life.[citation needed]
* On January 28, 2005, Ronnie Antonio Paris, a three-year-old boy living in Tampa, Florida, died due to brain injuries inflicted by his father, Ronnie Paris, Jr. According to his mother and other relatives, Ronnie Paris, Jr., repeatedly slammed his son into walls, slapped the child's head, and "boxed" him because he was concerned the child was gay and would grow up a sissy. Paris was sentenced to thirty years in prison.[145][146]
* On February 27, 2005, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, 21-year-old James Maestas was assaulted outside a restaurant, then followed to a hotel and beaten unconscious by men who called him "*" during the attack. Although all of his attackers were charged with committing a hate crime, none was sentenced to prison.{facdt|date=August 2010}}
* On March 11, 2005, Jason Gage, an openly gay man, was murdered in his Waterloo, Iowa, apartment by an assailant, Joseph Lawrence, who claimed Gage had made sexual advance to him. Gage was bludgeoned to death with a bottle, and stabbed in the neck, probably post-mortem, with a shard of glass.[147] Lawrence was sentenced to fifty years in prison.
* On February 2, 2006, 18-year-old Jacob D. Robida entered a bar in New Bedford, Massachusetts, confirmed that it was a gay bar, and then attacked patrons with a hatchet and a handgun, wounding three.[148] He fatally shot himself three days later.[149]
* On June 10, 2006, Kevin Aviance, a female impressionist, musician, and fashion designer, was robbed and beaten in Manhattan by a group of men who yelled anti-gay slurs at him. Four assailants pleaded guilty and received prison sentences.[150]
* On July 30, 2006, six men were attacked with baseball bats and knives after leaving the San Diego, California Gay Pride festival. One victim was injured so severely that he had to undergo extensive facial reconstructive surgery. Three men pleaded guilty in connection with the attacks and received prison sentences. A 15-year-old juvenile also pleaded guilty.[151][152]
* On August 18, 2006, an altercation occurred in Manhattan between a man and seven black lesbians from Newark, New Jersey. During the altercation, the man was stabbed. The women claim that they acted in self-defense after he screamed homophobic epithets, spit on them, and pulled one of their weaves off,[153] while he has described the attack as "a hate crime against a straight man."[154]
* On October 8, 2006, Michael Sandy was attacked by four young heterosexual men who lured him into meeting after chatting online, while they were looking for gay men to rob. He was struck by a car while trying to escape his attackers, and died five days later without regaining consciousness.[155][156]
* On February 27, 2007 in Detroit, Michigan, Andrew Anthos, a 72-year-old disabled gay man, was beaten with a lead pipe by a man who was shouting anti-gay names at him. Anthos died 10 days later in the hospital.[157]
* On March 15, 2007, in Wahneta, Florida, Ryan Keith Skipper, a 25 year old gay man was stabbed to death. Four suspects were arrested for the crime. The Sheriff is calling it a hate crime.[158]
* On May 12, 2007, Roberto Duncanson was murdered in Brooklyn, New York. He was stabbed to death by Omar Willock, who claimed Duncanson had flirted with him.[159]
* May 16, 2007, Sean William Kennedy, 20, was walking to his car from Brew's Bar in Greenville, SC when Stephen Andrew Moller, 18, got out of another car and approached Kennedy. Investigators said that Moller made a comment about Kennedy's sexual orientation, and threw a fatal punch because he didn't like the other man's sexual preference.[160]
* On December 8, 2007, 25-year-old gay man Nathaniel Salerno was attacked by four men on a Metro train in Washington, DC. The men called him "*" while they beat him.[161]
* In February 2008, Duanna Johnson, a transsexual woman, was beaten by a police officer while she was held in the Shelby County Criminal Justice Center in Tennessee. Johnson said the officers reportedly called her a “*” and “he-she,” before and during the incident.[162][163] In November 2008, she was found dead in the street, reportedly gunned down by three unknown individuals.[164]
* On February 12, 2008, Lawrence "Larry" King, a 15 year old junior highschool student was shot twice by a classmate at E.O. Green School in Oxnard, California. He was taken off life support after doctors declared him brain dead on February 15.[165] According to Associated Press reports, "prosecutors have charged a 14-year-old classmate with premeditated murder with hate-crime and firearm-use enhancements".[166][167][168]
* In Rochester, New York on March 16, 2008, police say Lance Neve was beaten unconscious because Neve was gay. A man attacked Neve at a bar leaving him with a fractured skull, and a broken nose.[169] Jesse Parsons was sentenced to more than five years in prison for the assault.[170][171]
* In Baltimore County, Maryland on May 29, 2008, eighteen year old Steven Parrish—a member of the Young Swans subgroup of the Bloods—was murdered by Steven T. Hollis III and Juan L. Flythe after they found "gay messages" on his cell phone. They felt having a gay member would make their gang appear weak and that by killing Parrish they could prevent that perception.[172]
* On June 9, 2008, Jeremy Waggoner, an openly gay hairstylist from Royal Oak, Michigan, was brutally murdered in Detroit. His murder is still unsolved.[173]
* On July 17, 2008, in Colorado, 18 year old Angie Zapata, a trans woman, was beaten to death two days after meeting Allen Ray Andrade. The case was prosecuted as a hate crime, and Andrade was found guilty of first degree murder on April 22, 2009.[174]
* September 7, 2008 – Tony Randolph Hunter, 27, and his partner were attacked and beaten near a gay bar in Washington DC. Hunter later died from his injuries on September 18. Police are investigating it as a possible hate crime.[175][176]
* On September 13, 2008, in Denver, Colorado 26 year old Nima Daivari was attacked by a man who called him "*". The police that arrived on the scene refused to make a report of the attack.[177]
* September 15, 2008 – A Bourbonnais, Illinois elementary school bus driver was charged with leading a homophobic attack on a 10-year old student passenger. The boy was taunted by the driver who then encouraged other students to chase and beat the child.[178]
* On November 7, 2008, in Newton, NC the home of openly gay Melvin Whistlehunt was destroyed by arsonists. Investigators found homophobic graffiti spray painted on the back of the house.[179]
* On November 14, 2008, a 22 year old transgender woman, Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY because he thought she was gay.[180] Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses "Teish" Cannon.[181] DeLee was convicted of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime on July 17, 2009, and received the maximum sentence of 25 years in state prison. This was only the second time in the nation’s history that a person was prosecuted for a hate crime against a transgender person and the first hate crime conviction in New York state.[182][183][184]
* On December 7, 2008, Romel Sucuzhanya, a 31 year old straight Ecuadorean and his brother Jose, were attacked on a Brooklyn, New York street for appearing to be gay and for being Latino; they were walking arm-in-arm, which is normal for brothers in their culture. Romel later died from his injuries.[185]
* On December 12, 2008, in Richmond, California a 28 year old lesbian was kidnapped and gang raped by four men who made homophobic remarks during the attack.[186]
* On December 27, 2008, in Dayton, Ohio 24-year-old Nathan Runkle was brutally assaulted outside a gay nightclub.[187]
* On February 15, 2009, in New York City Efosa Agbontaen and Branden McGillvery-Dummett were attacked by four young men with glass bottles and box cutters who used anti-gay slurs during the attack. Agbontaen and McGillvery-Dummett both required emergency room treatment for their injuries.[188]
* On February 18, 2009, two men were arrested in Stroudsburg, PA for the stabbing death of gay veteran Michael Goucher.[189]
* On March 1, 2009, in Galveston, Texas three men entered Roberts Lafitte bar and attacked patrons with rocks. One of the victims, Marc Bosaw, was sent to the emergency room to have twelve staples in his head.[190]
* On March 14, 2009, a gay couple leaving a Britney Spears concert in Newark, New Jersey were attacked by 15 teens. Josh Kehoe and Bobby Daniel Caldwell were called "*" and beaten. Caldwell suffered a broken jaw.[191]
* On March 23, 2009, in Seaside, Oregon two gay men were attacked and left lying unconscious on a local beach. The men regained consciousness and were treated at a nearby hospital.[192]
* On April 6, 2009, Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, an 11 year old child in Springfield, Massachusetts, hanged himself with an extension cord after being bullied all school year by peers who said "he acted feminine" and was gay.[193]
* On April 11, 2009, a gay man in Gloucester, Massachusetts was attacked and beaten by as many as six people outside a bar. Justin Goodwin, 36, of Salem suffered a shattered jaw, broken eye socket, broken nose and broken cheekbone.[194]
* On June 30, 2009, Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton. LGBT community leaders "citing military sources initially said that Provost’s death was a hate crime."[195] Provost had been harassed because of his sexual orientation.[195] Military leaders have since explained that "whatever the investigation concludes, the military’s “Don't ask, don't tell” policy prevented Provost from seeking help."[195] Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay (or bisexual according to some family and sources);[196][197][198][199][200] the killer committed suicide a week later after admitting the murder, the Navy have not concluded if this was a hate crime.[201]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people#USA

Can't help wondering how many of those American terrorists thought they were OK to commit terrorism because Christianity condemns the victims.

wouldnt be surprised if certain posters, say oh but thats not terrorism, but heres 1 of the definitions of terrorism The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda

hate crimes do fit that definition

 

[bernie14]

Guys, this is about a mosque, not Shariah.

it has always been about sharia for me because of the imam

from previous post.....

"actually, i'm beginning to think he is either an extremely naive idealist, who actually believes that if we bargain with the "political" side of terrorist organizations,we could just convince "Muslim countries... to revise the penal code so that it is responsive to modern realities and to ensure that the balance between the three branches of government is not out of kilter" or as mentioned previously, a dirty hypocrite, personally, i dont know which is more dangerous, i tend to still believe the latter, given that he is talking about building brides, bla bla, pretending to be friends with rabbis, while calling for negotiations with an organization whose charter calls for the destruction of israel."

Those who think Muslims all want Shariah are incredibly naive. Shariah law isn't neccessarily stoning women or gays to death, it's also living by a certain religious laws. I admit, i am ignorant of such laws, but that does not mean that Muslims would go around in death/rape squads to do "horrible things" to the non-believers. Since when did Christians in America stone people for wearing two different types of cloth? Why would you expect moderate Muslims to follow their own version of idiotic rules?.

i support muslims in america against sharia law

People need to get away from this idea that Islam is somehow a crueller religion then others, because it all depends on how someone interprets and acts upon their religious beliefs. One could argue that if Islam was really more pre-disposed to terrorism and violent acts, given recent events, one could also argue that Catholicism instills pedophilic teachings and intent into various people. Of course i have no evidence for this, but neither do those who believe Islam and Muslims are inherently more susceptible to terrorism and terrorist acts.

if a group of pedophiles crashed two planes into the twin towers in the name of christianity, i would be against building a new christian chuch at the prposed site....

Actually, I've noticed that any spin can be given by those who oppose the mosque. There's no real point in debate once you've shown that your political opponent actually has no consistent opinion and is merely trying to rationalise their conclusion.

People implicitly want to oppress Muslim freedoms and are xenophobic towards Islam. The rest is just window dressing.

i dont generaly speak for others...my opinion has always been consistent

Of course. The same can be said for Christian Law. I just read an article in the paper about how the vast majority of American Muslims simply ignore large parts of the Sharia law for two main reasons:
1. Different sects have their own beliefs of what sources should be used and whose opinion is more important.
2. It is fiendishly complicated to understand. If a Priest started preaching to his congregation the opinions of Augustine, ancient Canon Law, and latin grammar, his congregation would leave out of boredom. That is similar to what teaching Sharia law heavily would be..

see above note of muslims against sharia law

if a group of augustinian preists crashed 2 planes into the twin towers in the name of christianity, i would be against building a new christian chuch at the prposed site....

The same thing can happen in Christianity. Remember the Hutaree Militia back in Michigan?.

if a group of hutarees crashed 2 planes into the twin towers in the name of christianity, i would be against building a new christian chuch at the prposed site....

Mainly because the 'good' Muslims are law abiding citizens who don't want to make a fuss.

i was going to quote something about apathy being worse than evil but there were to many quotes to choose from

 

[Traitorfish]

i was going to quote something about apathy being worse than evil but there were to many quotes to choose from

How about one which details the difficulties faced by a marginalised social group in contradicting an established media narrative and the dissproportioante challenges they face in making themselves heard? Any quotes for that?

 

[bernie14]

How about one which details the difficulties faced by a marginalised social group in contradicting an established media narrative and the dissproportioante challenges they face in making themselves heard? Any quotes for that?

if a marginalised social group crashed two planes into the twin towers in the name of contradicting an established media narrative and the dissproportioante challenges they face in making themselves heard, i would be against building a new ...insert group's preferred holy site here..... at the prposed site....

EDIT

 

[Traitorfish]

if a marginalised social group crashed two planes into the twin towers in the name of contradicting an established media narrative and the dissproportioante challenges they face in making themselves heard, i would be against building a new ...insert group's preferred holy site here..... at the prposed site....

EDIT

Are you suggesting that Al Qaeda are a marginalised social group? Or are you conflating all American Muslims- including those who died on 9/11 and those who were involved in the rescued effort- with Al Qaeda? Have you no shame whatsoever?

(Also, it's quite clear that you haven't the faintest idea what the phrase "established media narrative" meant.)

 

[Formaldehyde]

In Texas over the past 20 years, there have been numerous examples of Christian women murdering their own children. It is safer to be the child of a Muslim woman here.

When will the honor killings stop? Why do they insist on bringing their own form of Sharia law to the US?

 

[bernie14]

Are you suggesting that Al Qaeda are a marginalised social group?

do they think they are?.....does the imam think they r?

Or are you conflating all American Muslims- including those who died on 9/11 and those who were involved in the rescued effort- with Al Qaeda?.)

really? i though u made some well thought out points before, even though i disagree with you on most of what u have posted, but now i think your emotion is getting the best of u

Have you no shame whatsoever?

.)

dont believe in giving emotions any importance when it comes to making "rational" decisions

(Also, it's quite clear that you haven't the faintest idea what the phrase "established media narrative" meant.)

well, if u think so, why dont u enlighten me?

 

[Traitorfish]

do they think they are?.....does the imam think they r?

I don't think anyone would call a Middle Eastern terrorist organisation an "American social group".

really? i though u made some well thought out points before, even though i disagree with you on most of what u have posted, but now i think your emotion is getting the best of u

Let's just say that I'm a little sick of the disrespect being consistently shown by the local Islamophobes. Regardless of your views on the mosque, accusing American Muslims of being complicit in the attacks is just disgusting.

well, if u think so, why dont u enlighten me?

It's fairly self-explanatory, but if you insist: the Western media has adopted a particular narrative in regards to the War on Terror, one which treats any and all Muslims with suspicion. As such, it is difficult for moderate Muslims to break through this uniformity and voice their opposition to terrorism- look at how frequently this Imam's vocal opposition to terror has been overlooked.

 

[Formaldehyde]

look at how frequently this Imam's vocal opposition to terror has been overlooked.

That has to be viewed as being a quite deliberate propaganda campaign by the far-right. The only way it could be clearer would be if the Imam Rauf renounced Islam, converted to Judaism, and became a member of the Likud Party after moving to Israel. After all, everybody knows that is the quintessential non-terrorist.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

I heard a rumor that some people are planning to slaughter a pig at the proposed site to prevent Muslims from building there. Any confirmation/source? Sorry, I'm not as much of a news/political junkie anymore.