YnAMP - Development thread Civ6

Gedemon · Jul 27, 2017

Gedemon updated YnAMP - Yet (not) Another Maps Pack for Civ6 with a new update entry:

Beta .5

- add Nubia TSL thanks to tomaltachpaulson

Also updated on Steam and Github

Ferocitus · Jul 30, 2017

Some timing runs and observations post-Summer patch/ Nubia DLC
after running several dozen simulations on multiple computers.
Ynamp - Beta .5, Giant map, ludicrous size.
24 civs including DLCs for Australia, Aztecs, Nubia, Poland, Vikings.
60 city-states maximum.
Add-ons:
Cliffs of Dover, Closer Cities, More CS for World, Remove Close CS.
Emperor Level; No barbarians; allies do NOT share visibility;
Stone for Stonehenge; marsh for Mont St. Michel; Bosphorus open.
i7-4790 cpu@ 4.0GHz, 16Gb RAM, NVIDIA GTX 970.
Marathon pace.
Turns: Time/Turn (Sec.), Total Time (Hours,Minutes)
100: 10s-15s, 0h20m.
200: 18s-25s, 0h50m.
300: 30s-35s, 2h00m.
400: 40s-45s, 2h40m.
500: 45s-50s, 3h30m.
750: 60s-80s, 8h30m.

Ferocitus · Jul 30, 2017

General Observations (for the above admittedly unique set-up. YMMV wildly!)
(CAVEAT: Humans would play these civs far, far better than the AI!)
1. Many civs fail to defend their cities early in the game preferring
to attack others or city-states. France often gets eliminated early for this
reason.
2. Montezuma is either top-tier, or loses his capital and other cities early
to the USA by leaving them undefended.
3. Kongo and Brazil are top-tier if left alone. Disrupt their easy paths to
victory early if you can. Similarly with India if China or Japan or Cyrus
don't do the job for you.
4. Rome is top-tier in Europe unless it is boxed in by France or Germany early,
in which case it stagnates.
5. Spain can go religiously nuts sometimes; other times it is thumped by Rome
and doesn't recover.
6. Australia is a very slow beginner. It can be sped up if the starting
position is moved from the "standard" start. In that case, Sydney appears as a
city-state which gives Australia an uninterrupted boost in culture for a long
time.
7. All other civs can hold their own reasonably well, with a bit of luck, but
are usually just short of being outright victors in any category.
China, Japan and Russia are just short of top-tier, but can do very well if
their closest neighbours are disrupted early in the game. If Japan gets a
foothold on the mainland early it can run over China, India and a lot more.

Most human players can do much better with any civ; the information is just a guide
to show how the AI does with them.

Ferocitus · Jul 30, 2017

8. If you are not too wedded to exact TSL, I found games more fun and
interesting when I moved some civs apart to give each one space and time to
develop relatively unmolested at the start. I also moved Alexander to North
America and Poland to Argentina to stop the Aztecs and Brazil's easy paths to
victory. Hopefully we'll get "natural" civs around those regions one day.

These changes can be made in the Map.xml file in the GiantEarth sub-directory.
























No promises: some top-tier civs could still be uber-dominant even after these
changes. Experiment with the locations yourself if you have the patience.

alireza1354 · Jul 30, 2017

Awsomeness...

Well, there are already civs for South America out there... Have seen Cuba, Colombia, Chile, Argentina..

Also new African and Asian civs. Most important ones are already out there... BUT

...no one bothers to fix the TSL for them.

I really dream of a game with 40+ civs.

Guess I will have to wait until someone fixes the TSLs in the giant world map.

Gedemon · Jul 30, 2017

anyone that know how to open a file in notepad can edit the XML file to add TSL

NN23 · Jul 30, 2017

First time poster here and a user of this map pack for a short time now. This question may sound really dumb, but here it goes. Does Auckland ever generate on your maps? I have in mind specifically Greatest Earth Map (104x64) because i play it the most. Do i need to use any of your add-ons like More CS for the World or Remove Close CS to increase the likelihood of Auckland generating?

Ferocitus · Jul 30, 2017

Gedemon said:
anyone that know how to open a file in notepad can edit the XML file to add TSL

Try right-clicking on the .xml file and then if there is an option of "open with..." choose Notepad.
You might have a box where you can check the option "Always use this program" or something similar.

Gedemon · Jul 30, 2017

NN23 said:
First time poster here and a user of this map pack for a short time now. This question may sound really dumb, but here it goes. Does Auckland ever generate on your maps? I have in mind specifically Greatest Earth Map (104x64) because i play it the most. Do i need to use any of your add-ons like More CS for the World or Remove Close CS to increase the likelihood of Auckland generating?

add this between <StartPosition> and </StartPosition> to map.xml in the ..\Documents\my games\Sid Meier's Civilization VI\Mods\Yet (not) Another Maps Pack\Maps\GreatestEarthMap folder

Code:

<Replace MapName="GreatestEarthMap" Civilization="CIVILIZATION_AUCKLAND" X="3" Y="10" />
<Replace MapName="GreatestEarthMap" Civilization="CIVILIZATION_ANTANANARIVO" X="66" Y="9" />
<Replace MapName="GreatestEarthMap" Civilization="CIVILIZATION_ARMAGH" X="33" Y="55" />
<Replace MapName="GreatestEarthMap" Civilization="CIVILIZATION_GRANADA" X="38" Y="34" />
<Replace MapName="GreatestEarthMap" Civilization="CIVILIZATION_MUSCAT" X="70" Y="33" />
<Replace MapName="GreatestEarthMap" Civilization="CIVILIZATION_PALENQUE" X="18" Y="35" />

and thanks to cage2004 on steam.

Ferocitus · Jul 30, 2017

alireza1354 said:
Awsomeness...

Well, there are already civs for South America out there... Have seen Cuba, Colombia, Chile, Argentina..

Also new African and Asian civs. Most important ones are already out there... BUT

...no one bothers to fix the TSL for them.

I really dream of a game with 40+ civs.

Guess I will have to wait until someone fixes the TSLs in the giant world map.

Yes, I know about the many new civs out there, but I prefer the official releases.
All of the unofficial civs I have ever tried were buggy.
I agree though, it will be wonderful when we have a selection of 40+ civs peppered
around a ludicrous size map.

The Economy · Jul 31, 2017

Ferocitus said:
Some timing runs and observations post-Summer patch/ Nubia DLC
after running several dozen simulations on multiple computers.
Ynamp - Beta .5, Giant map, ludicrous size.
24 civs including DLCs for Australia, Aztecs, Nubia, Poland, Vikings.
60 city-states maximum.
Add-ons:
Cliffs of Dover, Closer Cities, More CS for World, Remove Close CS.
Emperor Level; No barbarians; allies do NOT share visibility;
Stone for Stonehenge; marsh for Mont St. Michel; Bosphorus open.
i7-4790 cpu@ 4.0GHz, 16Gb RAM, NVIDIA GTX 970.
Marathon pace.
Turns: Time/Turn (Sec.), Total Time (Hours,Minutes)
100: 10s-15s, 0h20m.
200: 18s-25s, 0h50m.
300: 30s-35s, 2h00m.
400: 40s-45s, 2h40m.
500: 45s-50s, 3h30m.
750: 60s-80s, 8h30m.

Thanks for testing this stuff. Are the turn times faster/slower than before the patch?

Ferocitus · Jul 31, 2017

The Economy said:
Thanks for testing this stuff. Are the turn times faster/slower than before the patch?

Faster. But I didn't keep proper stats before the patch.

I should be able to do even better on my linux computers which have better graphics cards
than the older Win7 machines. I think the linux version will be out within a couple of weeks.

Oh, and direct more thanks at Gedemon for providing us with a delightful collection of maps,
add-ons, and tools.

bagigino · Aug 2, 2017

with beta 5 go in crash

Maraz80 · Aug 2, 2017

Yes, it crashes here as well. Everytime.

Ferocitus · Aug 2, 2017

Maraz80 said:
Yes, it crashes here as well. Everytime.

Are you using any other mods?

Maraz80 · Aug 2, 2017

Ferocitus said:
Are you using any other mods?

Yes, I have SpawnScout mod installed. Yet I switch it on and off. Now I have both and YnAMP is off, and at this very moment I may play normal game od DLC with ScoutSpawn mod. Before update I was able to merge both mods and spawn extra units,tech and gold on largest earth. Yet just YnAMP is crashing on every load.

Ferocitus · Aug 2, 2017

Maraz80 said:
Yes, I have SpawnScout mod installed. Yet I switch it on and off. Now I have both and YnAMP is off, and at this very moment I may play normal game od DLC with ScoutSpawn mod. Before update I was able to merge both mods and spawn extra units,tech and gold on largest earth. Yet just YnAMP is crashing on every load.

You might need to uninstall SpawnScout completely, or unsubscribe from the mod on Steam if you got it from there.

Maraz80 · Aug 3, 2017

Ferocitus said:
You might need to uninstall SpawnScout completely, or unsubscribe from the mod on Steam if you got it from there.

Will do so. Yet its interesting those mods used to work together fine before.

Ferocitus · Aug 3, 2017

Maraz80 said:
Will do so. Yet its interesting those mods used to work together fine before.

Never assume that any mod, or combination of mods, will work the way they did
before a patch, or if one of the mods has changed.
Also, never assume that a saved game will work at all after patches or changes to
mods.

Good luck with the new Ynamp!
I'm finding it really difficult to win at Emperor level.

Gedemon · Aug 3, 2017

I'll do some tests this WE.

For those who are able to launch a map in ludicrous size, can you post your hardware configuration AND your GPU drivers version ?

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