You can choose one to never be born:

[stiefel_ss]

1. Hitler
2. Stalin
3. Churchill
4. Roosevelt
5. Mussolini
6. Trotsky

Who do you choose and why?

 

[ori]

Moderator Action: removed the red diamond icon as its just bound to confuse people .

 

[ummmm........]

Where's the 'me' option? Then I don't have to care about any of them. Win!

 

[stiefel_ss]

Where's the 'me' option? Then I don't have to care about any of them. Win!

I recommend anti-depressants, you poor soul.

 

[warpus]

Columbus, because he has too much BS named after him. #2 is that guy America is named after... just so I could see what they'd name America instead if he never existed.

 

[Kyriakos]

^If Americo Vespucci (or how that is spelled) did not exist, but Columbus did, maybe they would name the continent Colombia. Else something boring such as 'Colchester-opposite-the-Atlantic'.

 

[Mise]

Columbus, because he has too much BS named after him. #2 is that guy America is named after... just so I could see what they'd name America instead if he never existed.

There'd have been some Family Guy-esque moment, where they saw a carriage that was painted all happy colours and everyone in it was really jolly and singing and stuff, and called it "A-merry-car". (In an English accent of course.)

 

[luiz]

Hitler, because whatever regime emerged in Germany would in all likelihood not be as evil without him. Maybe the Nazi Party wouldn't even have triumphed without him (very possible).

Stalin, although on a personal level just as bad as Hitler (if not worse), was just one among many psychopaths in that psychopathic regime that was the USSR. Some of his worst crimes, like the forced collectivization of land and subsequent rape of the peasants, were actually Trotsky's ideas. Trotsky was every bit as bad. He was just outmaneuvered, because he wasn't as smart as he thought he was, and Stalin was much smarter than he gave him credit for.

 

[Borachio]

1. Hitler Well if Hitler had never been born then it's likely that WW2 would never have happened. But supposing it did happen. Given that Hitler was chiefly responsible for all those bad decisions leading to the German defeat, what then?

2. Stalin Who'd have defeated Hitler if it wasn't for Stalin? Not that Stalin wasn't complicit in the initial lack of success of the Soviet Army, but still, eh?

3. Churchill Ah well, aside from all the casual and not so casual racism and various attempts at genocide (of a more or less successful nature) who'd have written Churchill's History of WW2? It would seem that Churchill was uniquely qualified for that particular task. Also cigars and bricklaying.

4. Roosevelt What? The geezer in the wheelchair or the bear hunter?

5. Mussolini Just what exactly have you got against this clown?

6. Trotsky Yeah, this one. Let's top him. No. Wait. Yeah, if he was never born would it have had much effect? Yeah, him. On the grounds that it wouldn't make all that much difference.

 

[IglooDame]

Stalin - bad guy who won. Hitler - bad guy who lost.

On the face of it, I'd choose Stalin, but without him running the USSR, would Hitler have won after all?

 

[Antilogic]

Guys, don't you know the Hitler rule of time travel? If you travel back to pre-WW2 period and kill any WW2-era world leader, somebody even worse rises up and runs the country. You guys want Super-Hitler and Super-Stalin?

 

[Old Hippy]

time travel? kill hitler? it is not easy cause apparently its a fixed point in time....

Spoiler :

Link to video.

 

[Kyriakos]

Oh no.

No.

Dr Who should never dabble in explaining laws of time-travel.

*

Besides, only one person actually was Dr Who:

And the Ark in Space was the only scary episode (ending of the first part frightened me when i saw it, i was 10 years old at the time ).

 

[Old Hippy]

Oh no.

No.

Dr Who should never dabble in explaining laws of time-travel.

*

And the Ark in Space was the only scary episode (ending of the first part frightened me when i saw it, i was 10 years old at the time ).

I haven't missed an espisode since the first one and relative to this thread is an underlying subplot. lots of people want to kill the doctor for his crimes not agaisnt humanity ... but agaisnt just about everyone else...

hitler is small fry in the larger scheme of things...

and the only real doctor would be john hurt...

Spoiler :

Link to video.

 

[Kyriakos]

John Hurt is a very good actor

And that other guy looks english-weird

 

[MagisterCultuum]

^If Americo Vespucci (or how that is spelled) did not exist, but Columbus did, maybe they would name the continent Colombia. Else something boring such as 'Colchester-opposite-the-Atlantic'.

The non existence of Amerigo Vespucci might not matter, if it turns out that one of the other theories of America's etymology are correct.

It is possible that the continents were named after a Welshman who was very important in the port of Bristol in the late 15th century. Richard Amerike (whose surname is also Anglicised as Ameryk, from the Welsh "ap Meryk," "ap Meuric," or "ap Meurig," all meaning "son of Meurig") was a patron of John Cabot's expedition, which mapped Newfoundland and parts of North America shortly before Amerigo Vespucci's visited Central America.


It has also been claimed that Vespucci's name was originally Alberico, and that Amerigo (which he sometimes spelled Amerrigo) was a nickname he started to use after his voyages naming himself after the place he visited. Both he and Columbus explored a mountainous region of of Nicaragua called Amerrique, supposedly meaning "the Land of the Wind" (where "wind" could also mean "breath," "spirit," or "life force") in the local Mayan language. Since finding gold was a major reason for their exploration and that is Amerrique of the first places where they found a lot of it, its name may have become a popular metonym for the whole new world.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

John Hurt is a very good actor

And that other guy looks english-weird

You dare call Tom Baker "weird"?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Whichever has had the least impact on the world. Trostky maybe? Dunno.

 

[warpus]

Hitler, because whatever regime emerged in Germany would in all likelihood not be as evil without him. Maybe the Nazi Party wouldn't even have triumphed without him (very possible).

Hypothetically speaking, if the Nazi rise to power never happened, the tensions between the great powers and systems of alliances between them would remain in the late 40s and beyond... until another spark somewhere else to start a great war.

If that spark happens during or after the time when nuclear weapons come into use, then that's a BIG problem. Initially we didn't know about the effects of nuclear weapons. That's why they were so willy nilly dropped on Japan. Imagine WW2 playing out in 1967 between global powers each controlling hundreds or thousands of atomic weapons, neither of them shy about using them to achieve their goals...

It could have put an end to civilization as we know it. Maybe Hitler was a historical accident that actually helped us out in the long run by triggering events that started a global war just at the right time... And yeah, maybe a great war wasn't evitable, but that war changed us a lot.. and taught us quite a bit. A new world order was born. Can you imagine the old world order with nuclear weapons? Because that's what a world without Hitler might have been.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

1. Hitler
2. Stalin
3. Churchill
4. Roosevelt
5. Mussolini
6. Trotsky

Who do you choose and why?

1.Hitler was possed. Him not living wouldnt really change anything as there would be another idiot used up for the purpose...
2.Stalin is a tough cookie. Not quite a human. However if he didnt live we as humankind wouldnt realise the abyss we can be drag into. Enormously painful lesson but perhaps a necessity.
4.Mussolini was a rather regular kind of dictator...
The rest is just more or less confused people with ambition or ideals in their lead - not much problem there....