Where are you getting the idea that protesting a country is even a thing? Protesting policies of government is a different thing though but 'country' and its symbols has nothing do with it.
YOU'RE FIRED!
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civver_764
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I support the right of private entities to fire people for whatever they want, just pointing out the hypocrisy from some on the left. Many demanded the firing of people simply for being seen at the rally and now they complain that people shouldn't be fired for freedom of speech. Pick a side, please.
Trump has found the next guy he wants fired:
Oerdin
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http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...-chargers-canepa-move-20170820-story,amp.html
I thought I would drop that here because I find it hilarious that the Chargers are failing so damn hard in Los Angeles. First they have the highest ticket prices in the entire league with the worst nose bleeder seats costing $200 a piece. Next they want $100 to park a single car and no tailgating is allowed. A family of four ordering four crappy hot dogs, a coke for each of their kids, and a substandard undersized generic big brand beer for the adults will run you $85. Yes, hot dogs and a drink a piece will cost you $85. That is $985 (plus tax) to watch the last place team with the worst record in the league two years running.
No wonder only 20k people showed up (the stadium holds 45k) to their exhibition game with a quarter of them fans for the other team. The Chargers are going to fail so hard in L.A. it is delicious. No one give a flying F about them and I hope both the team and the ownership sink in dispare because they deserve it.
I thought I would drop that here because I find it hilarious that the Chargers are failing so damn hard in Los Angeles. First they have the highest ticket prices in the entire league with the worst nose bleeder seats costing $200 a piece. Next they want $100 to park a single car and no tailgating is allowed. A family of four ordering four crappy hot dogs, a coke for each of their kids, and a substandard undersized generic big brand beer for the adults will run you $85. Yes, hot dogs and a drink a piece will cost you $85. That is $985 (plus tax) to watch the last place team with the worst record in the league two years running.
No wonder only 20k people showed up (the stadium holds 45k) to their exhibition game with a quarter of them fans for the other team. The Chargers are going to fail so hard in L.A. it is delicious. No one give a flying F about them and I hope both the team and the ownership sink in dispare because they deserve it.
Trump has found the next guy he wants fired:
Maybe Trump should fire Trump to be consistent here?
innonimatu
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I never did such thing. But you are actually right with that observation
Where do you stand: nobody should be fired for political speech, or anybody should?
civver_764
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My instinct is to support freedom of association and let employers do as they please, but there's probably some crazy edge cases that could convince me otherwise.
VicRatlhead5199
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A false equivalence does not create hypocrisy. Those two situations aren't in the same ballpark. You didn't hear Chuck Schumer giving a stump speech about ruining those unite the right creeps.
Well, the employers in the NFL have decided to sign a collective bargaining agreement that limits their choices,
civver_764
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Maybe not Chuck Schumer, but plenty of people with influence on the left did, and many rally-goers ended up losing their jobs.
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Like affiliation with white supremacists?
Zkribbler
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However, within the U.C. Code, there is a Flag Code, which sets out what acts constitute "disrespect to the flag." Taking a knee during the national anthem is not one of them.
Included are such acts as wearing the flag as clothing, wearing the flag as a patch on clothing [except government uniforms], and displaying the flag horizontally, I'll bet that at least half the rednecks in any gathering are disrespecting the flag. 
I wonder how much respect the flag really deserves. IMHO, it has two purposes: to designate government building and to be used as a shield by scallywags, crooks, petty tyrants, and traitors.
This nation would be better served if citizens paid less respect to the flag
and more respect to the Bill of Rights. 
innonimatu
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Most americans currently have no savings to get them through an extended of unemployment without falling into poverty (or further into poverty). Which means in practice that you option supports the right of employers to dictate politics upon their employees.
That seems, unfortunately, already to be the case.
Zkribbler
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I get it:
Advocating for equal social and economic rights--bad.
Advocating for racial hatred--good.
civver_764
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Yeah that's totally my position and not at all a misrepresentationI get it:
Advocating for equal social and economic rights--bad.
Advocating for racial hatred--good.
In this case the employers are really the NFL viewers, most of whom are very patriotic blue-collar type people. Unless you're going to force people to buy NFL tickets or watch it on TV there's not much you can do there.
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I never follow and almost never watch the NFL - college football only for me - but thanks to the president's ineptness and focusing on nonsense, I'm now aware of Colin Kaepernick and his beliefs, and he seems like generally a pretty good guy who's putting a lot of effort and money into trying to make the world a better space. And not just in the sphere of police violence, but many other charitable causes as well.
But I still played Civ and went outdoors instead of watching the NFL yesterday, like a usual Sunday.
But I still played Civ and went outdoors instead of watching the NFL yesterday, like a usual Sunday.
Evie
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As far as I'm concerned, a salute to the flag (or anthem) is to patriotism as a firefighter uniform is to being a firefighter. A firefighter does not need the uniform to be who he is, and the uniform does not make one a firefighter. Likewise, a patriot needs no flag or anthem to be who he is, and all the flags and anthems in the world will never make someone a patriot.
Taking a stand (or taking a knee) to protest injustice in your country, to denounce a betrayal of the country's ideal, is far more patriotic, and far more respectful to those men and women who fought and sacrificed (including their lives) to build that country, to protect it, and to make those ideals a reality, than the blind jingoistic adherence to worship of symbols.
Taking a stand (or taking a knee) to protest injustice in your country, to denounce a betrayal of the country's ideal, is far more patriotic, and far more respectful to those men and women who fought and sacrificed (including their lives) to build that country, to protect it, and to make those ideals a reality, than the blind jingoistic adherence to worship of symbols.
civver_764
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I can think of a million other ways to protest whatever they're trying to protest. Attacking the national anthem is specifically meant to provoke people and is the definition of unpatriotic. Their whole point was to create controversy and that's exactly what they got. The question is - will it end well for them? I don't think so. Alienating your fans isn't usually a smart move.
Case in point:
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Evie
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If you think that's against the definition of patriotic, you know nothing of patriotism, and you confuse it with jingoism.
