ZPNESVI Discussion Thread (Nesse)
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Anonymoose
KING OF MEESE
OOC: I'm willing to retcon the whole 'Bear clan is leaving' ordeal. It was pretty ridiculous.
IC: The Drezden will resist any intrusion by the senate of Nesse into their realm. As far as Uuta is concerned, it has always been a settlement of Outlanders, and should remain that way. Just because the Askani and Challoans have bought the opinions of a few does not mean that Nesse has claim.
Edit: Eww. rectal failure?
IC: The Drezden will resist any intrusion by the senate of Nesse into their realm. As far as Uuta is concerned, it has always been a settlement of Outlanders, and should remain that way. Just because the Askani and Challoans have bought the opinions of a few does not mean that Nesse has claim.
Edit: Eww. rectal failure?
Dicchus to Drezden
If you are not a Nesse citizen, then you do not have to worry.
The Magistrate system is for Nesse citizens ONLY who happen to have civil disputes. The law accords legal protection to all Nesse citizens in the Outlands. Thus, our Magistrate in Uuta will probably not even come into contact with you - unless a Nesse case requires Drezden as a witness to proceedings.
Are you a citizen? No. So, this particular law does not concern you and it is merely a way for us to provide legal recourse to Nesse citizens in the Outlands.
We forgive your clan's lack of expertise in either the Sea Kingdom script of the vulgate or the archaic script of the Élite and is willing to look this over as a misunderstanding on your part.
On behalf of the Senate, I apologise if you did not understand it clearly.
Anonymoose
KING OF MEESE
The Drezden accept your apology.
Edit: I was posting because if it's in this thread, I'm guessing it's common knowledge for everyone to comment on. If it was only for elites or only for nessers, it would be in private, right? If you guys want me to assume nothing from what you post in this thread, tell me. I want to retain the character of the Drezden, not have their attitudes or remarks influenced by the goings on of the thread, if that makes any sense.
Edit: I was posting because if it's in this thread, I'm guessing it's common knowledge for everyone to comment on. If it was only for elites or only for nessers, it would be in private, right? If you guys want me to assume nothing from what you post in this thread, tell me. I want to retain the character of the Drezden, not have their attitudes or remarks influenced by the goings on of the thread, if that makes any sense.
tuxedohamm
Disguised as crow.
House Tuxenius is okay with supplying men on rare occasions to train as a defensive militia. We see our duty to provide support for any offensive war efforts as material only.
Circuit
Writing Letters
Position of Challoan Clan
4D1: So long as Nessers are paying for the proposed sewers, we see no reason to oppose.
4D2: Yes.
4D3: The Challoan clan is willing to serve as a magistrate in the Uuta settlement to mediate between the city and the outlanders. We discussed this in great detail, and came to the conclusion that this is not an infringement on Outlander rights. If a Nesse law is broken and a Nesser is involved, only the Nesser faces prosecution (exceptions are if a major infringement, such as murder, occur). We are interested in the preservation of Outlander rights, and will not support a law that would infringe on Outlander rights. We believe that 4D3 should be given a trial run, and if it appears that rights are being infringed on, we will pull our support for it and request it be revised or eliminated.
4D4: The murdering clan should be charged, no doubt about that. They should be killed on sight, though this is easier said than done, since it's difficult to discover members of the clan. We believe that if we are to do ANYTHING with exiles, they should be thoroughly inspected before doing anything on the mainland. Security is our first concern.
Nesse should propose the exchange of possible trade rights to, say, Orange Clan, in exchange for their helping us take care of the offending clan.
OOC: rather than dropping, I will do what I can to limit my involvement in this NES. I won't be listening to every conversation going on.
4D1: So long as Nessers are paying for the proposed sewers, we see no reason to oppose.
4D2: Yes.
4D3: The Challoan clan is willing to serve as a magistrate in the Uuta settlement to mediate between the city and the outlanders. We discussed this in great detail, and came to the conclusion that this is not an infringement on Outlander rights. If a Nesse law is broken and a Nesser is involved, only the Nesser faces prosecution (exceptions are if a major infringement, such as murder, occur). We are interested in the preservation of Outlander rights, and will not support a law that would infringe on Outlander rights. We believe that 4D3 should be given a trial run, and if it appears that rights are being infringed on, we will pull our support for it and request it be revised or eliminated.
4D4: The murdering clan should be charged, no doubt about that. They should be killed on sight, though this is easier said than done, since it's difficult to discover members of the clan. We believe that if we are to do ANYTHING with exiles, they should be thoroughly inspected before doing anything on the mainland. Security is our first concern.
Nesse should propose the exchange of possible trade rights to, say, Orange Clan, in exchange for their helping us take care of the offending clan.
OOC: rather than dropping, I will do what I can to limit my involvement in this NES. I won't be listening to every conversation going on.
orangelex44
Partisan
Good to hear. Your other option would have been to take the Exile approach: ignore what everyone says, assume it's wrong anyhow, and continuously spout your wrath and despair at being out of the City.
Bil
Prince of Space
The Fiddling Conclave is beginning its work in designing the new water-transferal systems needed to support this new sewer, as well as providing substantial fresh water to the city in general. Our intent is to dedicate our entire production staff (everyone aside from the concrete researchers) to the design and construction of a new aqueduct system that will channel water from the hills north of the city down into reservoirs that we shall be constructing in available space, once we have Senate funding and approval for this project.
With this substantial source of flowing fresh water, we shall design a main sewage channel to run under the central line of the city, ending in the sea, where the waste will be dispersed into the ocean. This main sewage line will be the largest of the sewage disposal tunnels, into which dozens of lesser sewage tunnels shall carry waste from the bulk of the city into the main line. For the moment, we will merely position dumping points around the city, allowing chamber pots and other waste vessels to be deposited into the sewers, and also allowing street cleaners to push littered waste into the sewers. Eventually, we would like to devise a system in which every home has its own, in-door dumping position, allowing folks to go to the bathroom and throw away rubbish right from their own homes; this, however, will require considerably more resources from the city, and will likely start as a luxury installation into homes, businesses and meeting centers.
For now, the city will have to subsist on a sturdier, more freely-flowing waste system that is applied to general use about the city. We will also have considerable drinking and utility water available for everyday usage all across the city. This source of water will provide a substantial resource toward the expansion of the city, and will also allow private gardens to be constructed within the walls, lessening the food shortages, even if ever so slightly.
This project is going to take a lot of time, and will likely cost quite a bit, but it is an invaluable development for the city as a whole. Everyone will benefit, guaranteed. The more money we are provided with for this effort, the faster it will be finished. We are very close to developing a new concrete that will produce structures that should, in theory, last for hundreds, if not thousands of years. The bulk of the aqueduct will reside underground, protecting it from attack by our enemies as well as preventing dead animals and animal waste from collecting in our water supply.
We have already begun designing the system. All we need is full approval and funding.
With this substantial source of flowing fresh water, we shall design a main sewage channel to run under the central line of the city, ending in the sea, where the waste will be dispersed into the ocean. This main sewage line will be the largest of the sewage disposal tunnels, into which dozens of lesser sewage tunnels shall carry waste from the bulk of the city into the main line. For the moment, we will merely position dumping points around the city, allowing chamber pots and other waste vessels to be deposited into the sewers, and also allowing street cleaners to push littered waste into the sewers. Eventually, we would like to devise a system in which every home has its own, in-door dumping position, allowing folks to go to the bathroom and throw away rubbish right from their own homes; this, however, will require considerably more resources from the city, and will likely start as a luxury installation into homes, businesses and meeting centers.
For now, the city will have to subsist on a sturdier, more freely-flowing waste system that is applied to general use about the city. We will also have considerable drinking and utility water available for everyday usage all across the city. This source of water will provide a substantial resource toward the expansion of the city, and will also allow private gardens to be constructed within the walls, lessening the food shortages, even if ever so slightly.
This project is going to take a lot of time, and will likely cost quite a bit, but it is an invaluable development for the city as a whole. Everyone will benefit, guaranteed. The more money we are provided with for this effort, the faster it will be finished. We are very close to developing a new concrete that will produce structures that should, in theory, last for hundreds, if not thousands of years. The bulk of the aqueduct will reside underground, protecting it from attack by our enemies as well as preventing dead animals and animal waste from collecting in our water supply.
We have already begun designing the system. All we need is full approval and funding.
TaylorFlame
Nuclear Whale
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The Fire Clan has the following views:
We will not comment on domestic issues.
4M1: We approve the creation of a defensive militia.
4M2: We support the Wolf Clans proposal for an Army of Nesse, and would be willing to help train it.
4M3: As our clan brought forth this, we understandably support the creation of a fort, along with smaller fortifications and outposts. We will fund the creation of the fort.
4F2: We believe Nesse should not bow down to a foreign adversary. Decline their offer.
4F3: An alliance with the Golden Barbarians would be beneficial. We also believe in supporting the Boar Barbarians.
We will not comment on domestic issues.
4M1: We approve the creation of a defensive militia.
4M2: We support the Wolf Clans proposal for an Army of Nesse, and would be willing to help train it.
4M3: As our clan brought forth this, we understandably support the creation of a fort, along with smaller fortifications and outposts. We will fund the creation of the fort.
4F2: We believe Nesse should not bow down to a foreign adversary. Decline their offer.
4F3: An alliance with the Golden Barbarians would be beneficial. We also believe in supporting the Boar Barbarians.
erez87
Lord of Random
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Bought opinions? What are you on? Alya have always spoken in the name of free outlanders and its faith in their ability to defend themselves from any minor threat.
Alya will help finance the new water system.
Alya prefers Challoan will be diplomats to the Cyrians since we prefer the Sea Empire anyway.
Alya still believes that all that exiles has done on their island - the town, the port, the success - must be destroyed. Trade with the exiles is just wrong.
We also think a rule to accepting single exiled people (not whole clans) should be made.
House Dicch said:
Clan Masada asks, who would Nesse citizens have "the privilege and right to legal recourse" against?
erez87 said:
Clan Masada notes the use of the past tense -- methinks we've caught you out in some Nesse devilry.
Vertinari118
Deity
Does the Alya Clan propose we fight the Cyrians? Fight a power that is economically and militarily greater than us? This war, even if we managed to avoid complete annexation when it ended, would ultimately destroy Nesse and bring the whole region under Cyrian control. I think it is better for us to pay lip service to them and infiltrate their culture. When we have the strength to oppose them, we will attack them from within and without and completely destroy their threat. Surely this is a better course of action?
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
We can fight the Cyrians. It would take all our manpower, alliances, and greater coordination between the City and the Outlanders, but it can be done.
The question is whether it should be done.
The question is whether it should be done.
Circuit
Writing Letters
House Challoan says that at this point, it is better to seek peace with the Cyrians. But we should not bow to their demands. We will remain independent. If the Cyrians will not accept our independence, it is time for war.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Hippus Clan pledges its spears if we go to war with Cyria.
Dicchus - 4F2
On what grounds do you base this assumption?
With regards to whether we should fight the Cyrians or not, I don't see any reason why we should waste manpower and resources when we don't have to. What do we stand to gain by going to war against a large empire? Even if we win, we will be hurt far more than they would.
Thus, we shouldn't just "go to war" without any bloody objectives. War is an extension of politics. So for God's sake, use it as a tool.
War is not the only solution for everything.
Just a side note, NESers seem to take a perverse pleasure in jumping into war at the first opportunity, which confirms my theory that NESing is ultimately a war game. No matter what Thlay may say about it.
On what grounds do you base this assumption?
With regards to whether we should fight the Cyrians or not, I don't see any reason why we should waste manpower and resources when we don't have to. What do we stand to gain by going to war against a large empire? Even if we win, we will be hurt far more than they would.
Thus, we shouldn't just "go to war" without any bloody objectives. War is an extension of politics. So for God's sake, use it as a tool.
War is not the only solution for everything.
Just a side note, NESers seem to take a perverse pleasure in jumping into war at the first opportunity, which confirms my theory that NESing is ultimately a war game. No matter what Thlay may say about it.
orangelex44
Partisan
Thlayli isn't really assuming anything - Daft pretty much said exactly that. Here:
So, yeah, you City blokes would need everyone you could scrape up to get even odds, with one Cyrian army.
So, yeah, you City blokes would need everyone you could scrape up to get even odds, with one Cyrian army.
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