12-year Marine Veteran tells his truth on the US army

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Surely the word "genocide" is a great exaggeretion, but this guy explains what doesn't work in the US-led military occupation in Iraq, especially what happens in the so-called "check-points". But what I find most worrisome in his story for the future of democracy in the US (if there is still democracy), is his explanation about the recruitment methods of the US army. Reflect. This is the link.

Former Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey, a 12-year Marine veteran, lives in Waynesville, North Carolina, a small town in the Smoky Mountains just outside of Ashville. He is one of a growing number of American soldiers returning from Iraq who have become outspoken opponents of the war.

Massey entered Iraq as part of the initial US invasion in March 2003. He witnessed—and in some cases participated in—the killing of innocent civilians. During a single 48-hour period, he says, he saw as many as 30 civilians killed by US gunfire at highway checkpoints.

The brutality of the US military’s retaliation against the growing resistance of the Iraqi people transformed his view of the occupation and changed him for life. Massey, horrified and unable to reconcile himself to what was taking place, began to speak out to his superiors. He was eventually medi-vaced out of Iraq and diagnosed with depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. Labeled as a conscientious objector by his commanders, Massey sought legal counsel and won his honorable discharge in December 2003.

Massey grew up in the mountains of western North Carolina. His father was a truck driver who was shot and killed during a confrontation with the Florida State Police when Massey was still in his early teens. He then moved with his mother to Texas, where she took a job with the Texas Board of Corrections. He grew up in a household where at times there was very little money and little to eat. He would eventually join the Marines and became a recruiter himself in the late 1990s. He was sent to Kuwait in December 2002, in preparation for the invasion of Iraq.

Massey’s disillusionment with the military began as a recruiter, when he started to question the methods used by the Marines in preying on young people from economically depressed areas. His feelings would soon be deepened by his experience in Iraq.

“When I was on recruiting duty, I really began to question what was going on,” he said. “I’m not going to say that the Marine Corps is all flat-out lies, but it is very misleading the way we enlist recruits. A lot of the kids joining the military are from the ‘barrios’ and ‘hoods,’ or the poor parts of the Appalachian Mountains, where we’re sitting right here. Appalachia has some of the poorest counties in the country—so they’re sweeping them up.

“You know, these kids are just thankful that they’ve got some health care—for a lot of them, the first time they even went to the dentist is when they joined the Marine Corps. Then you pump them full of patriotism and intangible benefits—self-confidence and what not—and now you’re indoctrinating a young person with an ideology.

“Boot camp is designed to dehumanize and desensitize a person to violence. I was a Marine Corps boot camp instructor for two-and-a-half years, and I know that it is designed to strip you down and rebuild you. The only purpose of the Marine Corps is to meet the enemy on the battlefield and destroy them.”

Massey asserted that, given the economic conditions in the US today, there exists what amounts to an economic draft of young Americans into the military.

“Here’s the problem in America, what we’re living in is becoming an increasingly militaristic society, where poor people have been encouraged to sign up as the front line,” Massey said.

“A large percentage of the so-called growth in this country is associated with the military. The bottom line is, for the Halliburtons and Enrons war is good, but for the poor and for all of the soldiers coming home, especially the ones coming home wounded, there’s not much of a future. But for a lot of the kids getting ready to graduate high-school, the military is looking pretty good because their families have no money to send them to college.”


Massey’s career as a recruiter ended after he wrote a mission statement to his commanding officers, outlining his personal concerns with the issues of recruitment. The process of reaching the point of speaking out was not an easy one, he recalled.

“I’ll be honest with you, when you’re in the military, it’s a lot like being in a mafia family. You don’t step outside the family, and it’s a very sheltered environment. I mean, you’re taken care of. You’ve got a guaranteed paycheck on the 1st and the 15th, and when you’re living on a Marine base, it’s a bit like a utopia. But with the utopia comes the conformity to the ideology, which allows the utopia to continue. If you break away from the family, they’re going to do whatever they can to keep you quiet.

“It’s very hard to break away from—you have to reach down deep in your soul for answers to questions that begin to come up. And what happened with me was, I was coming into contact with groups like the War Resisters League while I was out on recruitment duty. They were out there counter-recruiting. I started reading some of the literature that they were passing out at the high schools. I became curious and started doing my own research, finding out certain things about America’s involvement in other countries.”

In Iraq, Massey was brought face to face with this involvement. The initial invasion took on the character of a one-sided slaughter, with the world’s strongest military power armed with the most technologically advanced weapons, on the one hand, and a disarmed and virtually defenseless military of a country already devastated by a decade of sanctions, on the other.

“You have to look at what was the overall goal of the mission. That was pretty evident when, eight months before we even left to go to Kuwait, the Marines were training to shut down and take over the Ar Rumaylah oil fields. We had detailed schematics and terrain models of all of the oil fields outside of Basra, and once we took care of those, all that was left was the ride into Baghdad.

“We were like a bunch of cowboys who rode into town shooting up the place. I saw charred bodies in vehicles that were clearly not military vehicles. I saw people dead on the side of the road in civilian clothes. As a matter of fact, I only remember seeing a couple of bodies in military uniform the whole time.

“There wasn’t a whole lot of direct fighting to speak of. There were some firefights—I mean I had bullet holes in the side of my Humvee—but it wasn’t like major combat action. We took the highway the whole way up to Baghdad. They had no artillery; they had no air support. They were so weakened by all the sanctions. All of their equipment was in very bad shape. Most of their hardware was left over from the war against Iran. The first Gulf War just devastated them. I don’t think they had the will or the opportunity to fight.”

Massey said that the hostility of the Iraqi people to the presence of the US military grew exponentially over the time he was there in direct response to the brutal methods employed by American troops against the entire Iraqi population.

“As far as I’m concerned, the real war did not begin until they saw us murdering innocent civilians,” he said. “I mean, they were witnessing their loved ones being murdered by US Marines. It’s kind of hard to tell someone that they are being liberated when they just saw their child shot or lost their husband or grandmother.”

Massey manned a number of US military checkpoints on Iraqi highways in the months following the invasion. He described how, when cars failed to stop, out of confusion or otherwise, the order was to ‘light them up’ or open fire. It was at one of the checkpoints that Massey’s attitude toward the war reached its turning point.

“We signaled a car to stop and when it didn’t we opened fire. They were innocent civilians. We found no weapons, no explosives—nothing. Somehow, and I have no idea how he could have done it, but one guy got out of the car and he wasn’t badly wounded. He was the brother of one of the men bleeding to death in the car. He looked at me and asked, ‘Why did you kill my brother. What did he do to you?’ There were 30-plus civilians killed over two days at these checkpoints.”

Massey described the chaotic and reckless character of the roadside checkpoints and the indifference of the military leadership to the culture of the people that they were there supposedly to help.

“When you put your hand up in the air with a closed fist, in the Marines it means you want them to stop,” he said. “But, as we later learned, it’s actually the international sign of solidarity. It has a totally different meaning for the Iraqis—to them it was a sign like hello. And that was just one example of how we were not trained properly to understand the cultural differences between us and them.

“The bottom line is they [the military command] don’t see the need to teach culture and humanity to men whose singular purpose is to kill. And that was just one of the cultural miscues. I blame the top of the chain of command, from the President down to Tommy Franks [the former commander-in-chief of US occupation forces] to General [James] Mattis [commander of the First Marine Division]. They all knew that the military was not trained properly when it comes to dealing with Muslim culture and a foreign land. But that was not our purpose for being there.”

In the midst of the widespread killing of civilians, Massey was struck by the callousness of the military command and the lack of humanitarian assistance they were offering the Iraqi people. This further deepened his doubts about the true purpose of the war.

“We actually left all of the humanitarian MRE’s [Meals Ready to Eat] in Kuwait,” he recalled. “We were supposed to give these out for relief, and we left them in Kuwait. They were just for show when the film crews came into the camps. We also had this big show with the medical supplies that we were prepping for Iraqi casualties. We were supposed to get in there and take care of them.

“But I’ll give you an example of what we actually did. After we shot up this car with civilians, I called in the corpsmen to bring in stretchers. They came in and put two men on stretchers. Five minutes later, they brought them back and dumped their bodies on the side of the road. They were still alive. They were riddled with bullets—one guy was just rolling in agony on the side of the road.”

At the time, intelligence reports were streaming in describing insurgents and rebels driving ambulances and civilian cars. In a growing atmosphere of fear within US military ranks, the entire Iraqi population was now viewed as the enemy.

“We’re thinking everyone is a terrorist,” Massey recalled. “Here we are on no sleep, and there are intelligence reports coming in right and left about suicide attacks and the Republican Guard and so on—attacks being mounted against American forces. So cars come driving through our checkpoints, and our orders are to light them up. The amazing thing about it is that we were telling the Iraqis the exact opposite. We were telling them to keep their schools open, keep the hospitals open, to go about their normal routine—‘we’re not here to hurt you, we’re just here to overthrow Saddam.’ So these people were just doing their normal routines, and they were getting frickin’ blasted for it.”

A recent study estimated the number of Iraqi deaths since the start of the war in March 2003 at around 100,000. When asked if this number seemed accurate, Massey responded:

“Yes, but that of course does not include the thousands more who will be dying from disease because of a lack of medical supplies, clean water, or proper sanitation. It does not include the hundreds of thousands that died in Iraq before the war even began from the sanctions. We are committing genocide in Iraq, and that is the intention.”

It is now well established that all of the pretexts for launching the unprovoked war in Iraq were based on manipulated intelligence and lies. In its drive toward war, the Bush administration fraudulently exploited the September 11 attacks to spread fear and panic throughout the country, and this, as Massey notes, was very effective in the South, where he is from.

“This started with Nixon,” he said. “The South was always predominantly Democratic, but Nixon began this campaign to turn the Southern mentality into Republican mentality, which he did very successfully by taking advantage of the religious orientation of the southern population—the Southern Baptists and what not. And Bush has been able to tap into the religious base here and get into the minds of Southerners, using Christianity, where anything he says is considered the gospel.

“He used this influence in part to sell the war in Iraq, based on fear. But the tide is turning. I think a lot of Southerners are saying ‘enough is enough - it’s time to get out of Iraq.’ I just read a letter to the editor in the Mountaineer, a small local newspaper down here. The lead article on the front page is about a high school football game—I mean this is a small-town paper. The letter is called ‘Country needs to get out of Iraq’ and here’s what it says:

“‘Hindsight is 20/20 and this is a war that should have never been fought. As a Navy veteran with more than 20 years of service, I would be the first one to step forward in the defense of our country. This is not the case here—President Bush has a personal agenda. Arab oil is not worth any American life. We need to get our troops home now! Let’s redirect our talents and energies to finding alternate energy sources.’”

Diagnosed with depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, Massey was sent home to argue his case against a dishonorable discharge in the summer of 2003.

“I told them, ‘If you want to label me a conscientious objector for not wanting to kill innocent civilians, then I’ll see you in court.’ The psychologist that I went to see said ‘Well, I don’t deal with conscientious objectors, that’s something the chaplain’s going have to do.’ So the next day I had a meeting with the regimental Sergeant Major—who’s pretty high ranking, in charge of about 4,000 Marines.

“I had a seat in his office, and he said that the Sergeant Major over in Iraq had sent him an e-mail explaining everything, and that I should stop worrying, that he was going to fix everything and it would all be okay. But just before I started to speak, I saw him reach into his desk drawer and pressed what I know was the record button on a tape recorder, and then he closed the drawer really fast and acted all nonchalant. I was thinking, ‘Damn, if you’re going to entrap me then at least try to cover it up a little.’

“So I sat there saying nothing, and finally he says, ‘You know, you only have another seven years to retire—we’re going to move you to a nice little office somewhere or passing out basketballs or something like that...you’ve got a lot vested in the Marine Corps and you need to think about your retirement.’

“I stood up and said ‘Well, Sergeant Major, I don’t want your retirement and I don’t want your benefits. We killed innocent civilians, and you have to face that responsibility, and I’m going to tell everybody what happened.’ I remember his face turned red, and he said that there was going to be legal repercussions that go along with that decision. I told him that I would not expect anything less from the Marine Corps.”

Massey recalls walking directly from the meeting to the Base Exchange, where he picked up a copy of the Marine Corps Times and called a lawyer who was listed in the back. The lawyer was Gary Meyers, whose practice dates back to the My Lai trials during the Vietnam War. There was no trial for Massey. In the end, the Marines backed down and agreed to his honorable discharge. He is currently working on a book and plans on using whatever proceeds there are from it to start a post-traumatic stress disorder foundation.

“What do you tell a kid that just came back from war with the economy the way it is and the lack of jobs, who’s just got finished murdering innocent civilians because his government has violated every law in the Geneva Conventions?” Massey asked. “You expect him to come back to the US and be a productive citizen? What do you do? For me, I keep hanging on to one thing that my grandfather used to say: ‘The truth shall set you free.’ I’ll keep talking as long as people listen.”

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Your subject line needs correcting. It's unlikely a 12 year marine would be able tell the truth about the U.S. Army unless he was ever actually in the U.S. Army (for those not American, the Marine Corps and Army are two separate branches of the military).
 
I guess this is another of those lefties who are lying to sell a book :hmm:
 
“When you put your hand up in the air with a closed fist, in the Marines it means you want them to stop,” he said. “But, as we later learned, it’s actually the international sign of solidarity. It has a totally different meaning for the Iraqis—to them it was a sign like hello. And that was just one example of how we were not trained properly to understand the cultural differences between us and them.


and now I dare ANYONE to post, with a clear conscience, that 'the vehicle should have stopped'

:mad:

another case of 'the clueless abroad'



EDIT: I wonder why there were so few reports of similar instances after and during the '91 war.

May it be that Gen. Schwarzkopf's policy of making SURE that troops were well-educated for their tasks aborad was working?
 
You do realize that the site you're quoting the article from can not be called "unbiased" without a hearty laugh ?
"World Socialist Web Site"
"Published by the international committee of the Fourth International"
:crazyeyes:

Note : I wouldn't trust Fox either, but here, frankly, I don't even have to read the article to guess what it will say.
 
World Socialist Web Site article said:
“But I’ll give you an example of what we actually did. After we shot up this car with civilians, I called in the corpsmen to bring in stretchers. They came in and put two men on stretchers. Five minutes later, they brought them back and dumped their bodies on the side of the road. They were still alive. They were riddled with bullets—one guy was just rolling in agony on the side of the road.”

Sorry, I'm not able to believe without supporting evidence that Navy corpsmen would dump on the ground alive but mortally wounded men, whether they be civilians, enemy soldiers, or terrorists.

Now, I am familiar with Marine Corps (and the other branches') recruiting. I was in charge of investigating recruiting improprieties for all the services in one city, usually as a result of accusations levelled by recruits. The Navy and Air Force tend to focus more on acquisition of technical skills and career enhancement, the Marine Corps is all about image. The Army has the lowest standards and tends to take enlistees that the other services can't. Now, why do you think the Marine Corps always hits their quotas while the other services struggle?
 
carlosMM said:
and now I dare ANYONE to post, with a clear conscience, that 'the vehicle should have stopped'

:mad:

another case of 'the clueless abroad'



EDIT: I wonder why there were so few reports of similar instances after and during the '91 war.

May it be that Gen. Schwarzkopf's policy of making SURE that troops were well-educated for their tasks aborad was working?

Well, Mr. Massey says this in a different article http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/05_04/05_26_04/fr_massey.html

The Kia came into our area, and they went past our signs in Arabic saying “stop, halt.” We fired warning shots, they didn’t stop. We opened up on them with 50-caliber and M-16s and 240s.

So, yeah, I'm thinking that while closed fists might have confused the Iraqis, signs saying STOP and warning shots would get the point across adequately even so.
 
IglooDude said:
So, yeah, I'm thinking that while closed fists might have confused the Iraqis, signs saying STOP and warning shots would get the point across adequately even so.

Plus frankly, even if I accept that the raised fist is an Iraqi salute (and I'm not sure of that), seeing an ARMED AND BATTLE-DRESSED US SOLDIER raising his fist should surely ring some alarm bells. American soldiers are not patrolling Iraqi streets to give the tribal salute to passing cars :rolleyes:
 
Masquerouge said:
You do realize that the site you're quoting the article from can not be called "unbiased" without a hearty laugh ?
"World Socialist Web Site"
"Published by the international committee of the Fourth International"
:crazyeyes:

Note : I wouldn't trust Fox either, but here, frankly, I don't even have to read the article to guess what it will say.
Are you then able to mention a source which is "unbiased" and at the same letting me keep a straight face?
Everything written is propaganda for something, that mainstream media is more powerful and thus more influental doesn't exactly make it more objective and truthful.
I have difficulties to se that what you write in your note isn't relevant for practically every publication.
I don't know how true this article is, but I think that those who find it doubtful should point out why instead of just discrediting the source because it is not a politically correct one.
 
IglooDude said:
So, yeah, I'm thinking that while closed fists might have confused the Iraqis, signs saying STOP and warning shots would get the point across adequately even so.


Yep, you should stop at a stop sign. Especially in iraq.


My experience tells me that even in (very much more orderly) southern Europe it is considered NORMAL to run stop signs.

And once the shooting strats, in a country where it was NORMAL that people were killed for no reason by soldiers, would YOU stop your car? Would you be ABLE to distinguish between warning shots or poorly (Iraqi army standard) shots for effect?


If was an iraqi, I'd try to run instead of stopping - I'd think 'if I stop they will torture me and my family'.


Mind you, I am not blaming the soldiers, they do as trained and told. The blame goes higher up!
 
If someone is shooting at you would you stop and stay motionless? :lol:

Sorry, I guess you're meant to know that gun is pointed a few feet away - stupid Iraqis...
 
Masquerouge said:
You do realize that the site you're quoting the article from can not be called "unbiased" without a hearty laugh ?
"World Socialist Web Site"
"Published by the international committee of the Fourth International"
:crazyeyes:

Note : I wouldn't trust Fox either, but here, frankly, I don't even have to read the article to guess what it will say.
Well, would CNN have published this "traitors lies" - I somehow doubt ANY mainstream US news channel would since they care a hell of a lot about not pissing off the bosses....
 
luceafarul said:
Are you then able to mention a source which is "unbiased" and at the same letting me keep a straight face?
Everything written is propaganda for something, that mainstream media is more powerful and thus more influental doesn't exactly make it more objective and truthful.
I have difficulties to se that what you write in your note isn't relevant for practically every publication.
I don't know how true this article is, but I think that those who find it doubtful should point out why instead of just discrediting the source because it is not a politically correct one.

That's why I added : " I wouldn't trust Fox either". ;)
But in general, I tend to be wary of articles posted in newspapers or sites that have an openly extreme political view.
And to tell you the truth, I've checked a bit about this soldier, and there are a lot of other sources where he expressed the same views, like the BBC (or the link in Igloodude's post, but I don't know anything about the "Smoky mountains news" :) ) : why then choose a controversial one ?

It's not what the soldier says that I find doubtful, it's the source, and consequently I tend to doubt what the soldier say, UNTIL I check it and see that the guy's pretty serious, because there are numerous sources.

Wouldn't you agree that some newspapers are more respectable than others ? It's only a question of reputation, true, but it's like on eBay : you'll tend to trust a seller with a lot of positive feedback, no ?
(note : this is an analogy, not an explanation or an argument, and should be taken as such ;) )
 
I'd like to point out that WSWS, even though there is no reason to think it to be lier, is not my main source. I read the story of Mr. Massey on an italian site and then I have googled his name to find out an english article about him.

WSWS was the second site in the Google first page, ind it was the first one whiche gave me all the news I read in italian. It was casual.

Now Mr. Massey is traveling through America to let the people know his story.
 
Masquerouge said:
That's why I added : " I wouldn't trust Fox either". ;)
But in general, I tend to be wary of articles posted in newspapers or sites that have an openly extreme political view.
I find mainstream media to be extremistic enough, see below...Besides i see it as a plus that any news channel, newspaper or website openly declare their partisanship.
Masquerouge said:
And to tell you the truth, I've checked a bit about this soldier, and there are a lot of other sources where he expressed the same views, like the BBC (or the link in Igloodude's post, but I don't know anything about the "Smoky mountains news" :) ) : why then choose a controversial one ?
From a tactical point of view I can agree, but this forum is supposed to be democratic, and if a posters reads socialistic publications. and wants to draw the community's attention to articles featured there, I can hardly see that that is a problem as far as diversity in media is an ideal. I for once, spend more time with "unrespectable" media than the "respectable" ones.
Masquerouge said:
Wouldn't you agree that some newspapers are more respectable than others ? It's only a question of reputation, true, but it's like on eBay : you'll tend to trust a seller with a lot of positive feedback, no ?
(note : this is an analogy, not an explanation or an argument, and should be taken as such ;) )
I want to comment upon it nevertheless, since I find it important. I am fond of Chomsky's and Herman's propaganda model and I have found in my own experience that it can be a useful tool. In my life I have experienced so much propaganda and contortion of truth from "respectable" media that I would be extremely gullable to take seriously whatever they claim except possibly the weather forecasts. By the way in my country the most respectable newspaper was one of the few that were published during the whole WW2. Today it wants to teach us what democracy is. :sad:
 
Well, the news show Frontline on PBS (that should be considered a reliable source, right?) did a one hour expose a couple of weeks ago. They were embedded with the U.S. military (Army, I believe) that were guarding southern Baghdad.

Anyway, the car-failing-to-stop-at-a-"checkpoint" routine is quite common. Frontline caught an incident on tape, so there is no lie. An Army humvee stopped at a freeway interchange (where two or more freeways converge and you have those large crossover bridges from one to the other). So at the bottom of the interchange is this Army humvee, and this becomes a "checkpoint". A car approaching, probably a couple of hundred yards way, didn't stop quick enough, and they opened fire. You simply couldn't tell who was in the car, or if they were even being threatened by it. The vehicle was shot up just because it failed to stop a couple of hundred yards away from the humvee. It stopped and reversed really fast, and the soldiers chuckled and even admitted they didn't have a clue who (or what) was in the car.

They also do this in their convoys, if a civilian vehicle gets in the "fast lane" (far left lane on the freeway). The military vehicles have the right-of-way, and they have standing orders to "shoot first, question later" (soldiers words) if anyone gets remotely close.

I'm not saying if this above article is true/false. But I know many aspects of what he is saying is the truth of the reality in current Iraq.
 
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