2013 NCAA Football Thread

[ummmm........]

That does nothing. It just puts the coaches in the same boat as the players -- two groups getting exploited instead of one. Less exploitation with the coaches since they have other options, but

 

[North King]

Well, except maintain the facade that these are "universities."

Honestly, why not just create a minor league for the NFL and stop treating academic institutions like a feeder system?

 

[emzie]

Easy fix at State level. State law dictating no educational institution staff in any athletics related field may receive a salary higher than any professor in any non-athletic related field at any educational institution in the state that receives any state funding.

Only if applied on a national level. I'd not want to be a politician in Alabama trying to explain why I voted to slash Nick Saban's pay to a fraction of what it had been which is why he's now coaching in South Carolina.

 

[JollyRoger]

You can't cap what the market demands.

There is a cap on the what the players receive and the supply fills the rosters. Surely the coaching staffs would still be filled, even with a cap in place.

 

[ummmm........]

Well, except maintain the facade that these are "universities."

Honestly, why not just create a minor league for the NFL and stop treating academic institutions like a feeder system?

This is the best solution, but the universities aren't going to give up all that money . . .

There is a cap on the what the players receive and the supply fills the rosters. Surely the coaching staffs would still be filled, even with a cap in place.

But with lesser talent . . .

 

[downtown]

The NFL needs college football the way it is more than universities do actually. The NFL gets a totally free minor league out of the deal.

In actual football related news, #BREAKINGBOWL. I feel really bad for Washington State, that was a particularly epic chokejob.

 

[JollyRoger]

But with lesser talent . . .

Where are the talented coaches going to go? The NFL? Where will NFL coaches they displace go?

 

[ummmm........]

In actual football related news, #BREAKINGBOWL. I feel really bad for Washington State, that was a particularly epic chokejob.

Nobody messes with the Fighting McElwains . . .

Where are the talented coaches going to go? The NFL? Where will NFL coaches they displace go?

Back to practicing law, I guess

 

[downtown]

So this article breaks down a troubling trend we're already seeing with athletic departments being cash strapped, dropping sports even in the era of massive TV revenues. I think this would happen on an even broader scale if Title IX was canned. I think more and more schools will do this, as huge travel costs will eat away at the margins.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cutting-sports-growing-trend-major-colleges

 

[sophie]

So this article breaks down a troubling trend we're already seeing with athletic departments being cash strapped, dropping sports even in the era of massive TV revenues. I think this would happen on an even broader scale if Title IX was canned. I think more and more schools will do this, as huge travel costs will eat away at the margins.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cutting-sports-growing-trend-major-colleges

Uggh...it's all in greyed-out italics!

Otherwise, yes, very interesting article.

 

[bhsup]

I just read that article. I have to wonder, did they even do the math to see if it made sense to cut football and all its expenses (I am sure cutting coach and rest of staff would save tons) instead, and keep all of the others?

 

[GamezRule]

I think most football programs turn huge profits for D1 schools.

 

[Azale]

I think most football programs turn huge profits for D1 schools.

You would think wrong.

 

[GamezRule]

Well then I suggest we slash Ohio State's football program for a few years to see how the University does.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, except maintain the facade that these are "universities."

Honestly, why not just create a minor league for the NFL and stop treating academic institutions like a feeder system?

Because the light bulb has to want to change.

 

[madviking]

Well then I suggest we slash Ohio State's football program for a few years to see how the University does.

ohio st isn't "most d1 programs"... look at cal, virginia, kansas, or something

 

[ummmm........]

Which is why it's silly to have the same rules for both groups . . .

 

[downtown]

Well then I suggest we slash Ohio State's football program for a few years to see how the University does.

Couple of things:

Like Madviking said, OSU isn't "some program". It's the second largest athletic department in the entire country (behind Texas). It is unquestionably one of the fewer D1 programs that is profitable.

As a university, OSU doesn't NEED football. Without it, their athletic department would unquestionably be MUCH smaller, but the school is a top 25 public uni in the country, and one of the largest and most significant research institutions in the entire world. Football helped it get to that point (like it did with Florida State and Penn State), but the university would be fine without it.

A better example would probably be Boise State.

Which is why it's silly to have the same rules for both groups . . .

Kind of dumb to make a special division for just 20 schools or so.

Here is a link that actually gets into the data. From the last good data set we have (2010-2011), only 22 public FBS programs were profitable without subsidy.
The most profitable FBS program? Kansas State. Whaaaaaat?

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2012/5/15/3021940/chart-revenues-profits-college-athletics

 

[madviking]

k st may be experiencing a huge influx of alumni donations after years of mediocrity? i dunno what else it could be.

 

[ummmm........]

A smaller division would be more profitable for each member institution. Right now the 'haves' are supporting a lot of hangers on in each of the power conferences . . .