2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Patine]

I wouldn't judge presidents by the social norms of today, more were they good at their job by the standards of the time.

So the slave owning founding fathers get a pass to some extent. Slavery was legal in most parts of the world in 1776. In parts it was legal well into the 20th century.

Did the president leave the country in a better or worse place when they left office?

Buchanan didn't even pass the simple bar of leaving office with the entire country he entered office with...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Buchanan didn't even pass the simple bar of leaving office with the entire country he entered office with...

Okay, we have a winner!

 

[Zardnaar]

Buchanan didn't even pass the simple bar of leaving office with the entire country he entered office with...

Yeah Trump's not the worst, only because you can find a handful of worse ones.

Hell end up around 42/45 give or take one IMHO. Unless he lobs a few nukes around and gets retaliation.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump has claimed to be a wartime president. Let's see if he can kill more Americans in his war than died in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, 9-11 combined.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Trump has claimed to be a wartime president. Let's see if he can kill more Americans in his war than died in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, 9-11 combined.

The bigliest death counts! Take that librulz!

 

[Patine]

Yeah Trump's not the worst, only because you can find a handful of worse ones.

Hell end up around 42/45 give or take one IMHO. Unless he lobs a few nukes around and gets retaliation.

Finding a handful of worse ones is the ALL that's required to prove Trump's not the worst, you know? Even finding just one whose is sufficient to oust the claimed mantle. I THOUGHT that would go without saying. And, why do so many people REALLY believe the U.S. President can order nuclear launches on demand, as a final decision in and by himself, with no other co-signers, authorizations, failsafes, binding advice, Congressional launch orders, state of war needed to be in effect, DefCon status at maximum, justifiable reason stated for that level of escalation, etc.? How are so many suckered into believing the ludicrous "red button," pop culture narrative is at true? I hear the "what if Trump launches nukes on a whim?" thing ALL THE TIME on the Internet. It's actually a real palaver to actually launch such an attack, apparently.

 

[Kaitzilla]

The bigliest death counts! Take that librulz!

In fulfillment of prophecy, there is a refrigerated truck full of virus corpses on 5th Avenue in New York.

#VirusHoax
Trump 2020

 

[Lexicus]

Trump announced that the federal government will be paying hospitals to treat covid-19 patients for free. I'm leaning away from my "this pandemic assures the Democrats will win this year" position...

 

[Zardnaar]

Trump announced that the federal government will be paying hospitals to treat covid-19 patients for free. I'm leaning away from my "this pandemic assures the Democrats will win this year" position...

Response
Why are they not free/cheap all the time?

 

[Ironsided]

Bernie: Medicare for all

Peolsi, Biden, Schumer: No

Trump: Medicare for all Covid-19

Peolsi, Biden, Schumer:

 

[Zkribbler]

Trump announced that the federal government will be paying hospitals to treat covid-19 patients for free.

So he's inching towards his original campaign promise to provide comprehensive health care for all Americans which is cheaper, better quality, and more efficient than Obamacare? Do you think he's telling the truth this time?

 

[AmazonQueen]

He is truly awful, absolutely incompetent, and a disaster and train, but don't think he's the worst in U.S. history (although, in modern days, it's very common to declare a sitting or recent holder of a position the mantle of "worst," or "greatest," in that postion's history, often without much thought or real research, but mostly based on semantics). I'd personally say Andrew Jackson, James K. Polk, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, William McKinley, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, and George W. Bush would rank worse, in my more scholarly rather than semantic and polemic point-of-view. But, Trump is, as I said, nonetheless a wretched U.S. President himself.

A lot of historians believe him to be the worst president. I think their pov is as likely to be scholarly rather than polemical as yours is.

https://time.com/5165686/donald-trump-last-place-presidential-greatness/

 

[Zardnaar]

A lot of historians believe him to be the worst president. I think their pov is as likely to be scholarly rather than polemical as yours is.

https://time.com/5165686/donald-trump-last-place-presidential-greatness/

Recency bias perhaps and academia skews liberal. Not saying Trump's good but there's a few I consider worse.

By recency bias sure you can read a book but they didn't live through the great depression or civil war.

Trump's somewhere in the bottom 5. Corvid response plus a depression might put him there or close to it.

 

[Gorbles]

Recency bias perhaps and academia skews liberal. Not saying Trump's good but there's a few I consider worse.

By recency bias sure you can read a book but they didn't live through the great depression or civil war.

Trump's somewhere in the bottom 5. Corvid response plus a depression might put him there or close to it.

You do understand that you also didn't live through the things you're diminishing the historians for? The same goes for inferences of how people "skew" - everyone has bias. The difference between you and them is, it's generally their job to mitigate or otherwise account for bias when evaluating a subject.

 

[Zardnaar]

You do understand that you also didn't live through the things you're diminishing the historians for? The same goes for inferences of how people "skew" - everyone has bias. The difference between you and them is, it's generally their job to mitigate or otherwise account for bias when evaluating a subject.

True but Trump hasn't caused a civil war or started stupid foreign wars and I rate not killing people higher than done other presidents.

That was pre Covid though, Trump's response will change things. How do they deal with a crisis also ranks highly.

Don't get me wrong Trump's a disaster it's 42-45 place we're quibbling over a few places.

We won't really know the full effects of Trump for a few years.

 

[Gorbles]

True but Trump hasn't caused a civil war or started stupid foreign wars and I rate not killing people higher than done other presidents.

That was pre Covid though, Trump's response will change things. How do they deal with a crisis also ranks highly.

Don't get me wrong Trump's a disaster it's 42-45 place we're quibbling over a few places.

We won't really know the full effects of Trump for a few years.

I agree with you on the last thing, but we do know what effects he and his administration have already caused.

Also, if you rate not killing people so highly, I'm just going to point at Iran and leave it at that.

 

[Zardnaar]

I agree with you on the last thing, but we do know what effects he and his administration have already caused.

Also, if you rate not killing people so highly, I'm just going to point at Iran and leave it at that.

It's relative. Vietnam, Iraq, Civil War.

Trump's terrible foreign and domestic though.

 

[Patine]

A lot of historians believe him to be the worst president. I think their pov is as likely to be scholarly rather than polemical as yours is.

https://time.com/5165686/donald-trump-last-place-presidential-greatness/

You announce this like it's a unanimous, overwhelming consensus. Like it's now "decided," and all must agree or be ridiculed as though they're "gravity deniers." FORTUNATELY, that's not how these things work, or such an easily-abused social and academic mechanic could be leveraged for FAR more insidious and sinister results, wouldn't you agree?

 

[AmazonQueen]

You announce this like it's a unanimous, overwhelming consensus. Like it's now "decided," and all must agree or be ridiculed as though they're "gravity deniers." FORTUNATELY, that's not how these things work, or such an easily-abused social and academic mechanic could be leveraged for FAR more insidious and sinister results, wouldn't you agree?

Saying "a lot" is not claiming its unanimous or overwhelming.
I'm just ridiculing your claim to be so much more objective and scholarly than the rest of us here.

 

[Patine]

Saying "a lot" is not claiming its unanimous or overwhelming.
I'm just ridiculing your claim to be so much more objective and scholarly than the rest of us here.

I said that my list was my own, and my own opinion and viewpoint. I didn't claim it was "more objective and scholarly than the rest," or other such high-minded viewpoint. Your insistence to try and show my constant "arrogance and being on a high horse," all the time only betrays your own arrogance, and the fact that you refuse to refuse to dismount from your own high horse.