3rd and 4th Unique Components for VP - Official thread 88.10

josephrandall · May 5, 2020

So its listed under extra city hitpoints in the MUCDummies.sql file ?

pineappledan · May 5, 2020

Spharix · May 6, 2020

My apologies if this has been asked before, but I'm having trouble with some civs not showing all their components, or even their base UCs - it ranges from 1-3 missing, and only affects some civilizations. I have mods that add more civs installed that are compatible with 4UC and VP, and some of them work; a few from the base game are having problems too. Does anybody know any solution to this?(Or could anybody help me figure out how to solve it myself, if not?

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I can also give my full mod list and/or the civs it doesn't work with if that would help. I'm running the full VP suite. Thanks!

adan_eslavo · May 6, 2020

What VP version?
Post lua.log.

pineappledan · May 6, 2020

Definitely a problem with your version. Are you using the stickied July 2019 version?

If there have been changes to the DLL between the VP version you are using and your 4UC version then some components won't exist.

Spharix · May 6, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
What VP version?
Post lua.log.

pineappledan said:
Definitely a problem with your version. Are you using the stickied July 2019 version?

If there have been changes to the DLL between the VP version you are using and your 4UC version then some components won't exist.

Thanks for the quick replies. Yes, I'm using the 7/29/2019 version of VP. I tried reinstalling both it and this mod to make sure they were the latest versions and the problem persisted. One thing that did come up at some point during installation is a "Path too long" error that I had to delve into the security settings to resolve, but I'm not sure that's relevant at all.

Here's the log; hopefully it's what you're asking for. Sorry if not. Thanks for the help!

Spoiler :

pineappledan · May 6, 2020

reinstalling an old version doesn't make it new. you can't use the july version with 4UC unless you use an old, archived version of 4UC. Use old with old, and new with new. The version of 4UC you are trying to use is meant to be used with the latest beta version of VP

Install the latest beta version of VP posted here
Or, install the July 25 2019 version of 4UC here

Spharix · May 6, 2020

pineappledan said:
reinstalling an old version doesn't make it new. you can't use the july version with 4UC unless you use an old, archived version of 4UC. Use old with old, and new with new. The version of 4UC you are trying to use is meant to be used with the latest beta version of VP

Install the latest beta version of VP posted here
Or, install the July 25 2019 version of 4UC here

Oh, thank you - my mistake. I updated to the newest version and that fixed a lot of the civs, but some of the civs are still missing their UCs, including some that hadn't missed it before. I think the Aztecs is the only base game civ missing theirs. Would this still be a problem with the versions?

Asterix Rage · May 6, 2020

Spharix said:
Here's the log

A log that says you need a serious cleaning.

1. Delete the entirely content of \MOD , \cache and \ModUserData
2. Install (4-17-2)
3. Install 4UC and few other Mods only.
- Make sure the version of modmods your are installing are up to date
- Do not install:

(7) Community Events Version 5
AI - Great People Choices Version 1
Diplomacy - Auto-Denounce Version 1
Enlightenment Era (Vox Populi) Version 1
Faster Aircraft Animations Version 3 (included in 4-17)
National Wonder Collection Version 3
Neolithic Wonders Version 1
Religion - Recurring Purchase Notify Version 1
Notify Exit Resistance Version 1
Unique City-States Version 6
Vox Populi's Bare Necessities Version 4

- 15 new civs ! Seriously ? This is too much

Since VP(4-17-2) it doesnt worth anymore to use the 7/29/2019

Spharix · May 6, 2020

Asterix Rage said:
A log that says you need a serious cleaning.

1. Delete the entirely content of \MOD , \cache and \ModUserData
2. Install (4-17-2)
3. Install 4UC and few other Mods only.
- Make sure the version of modmods your are installing are up to date
- Do not install:

(7) Community Events Version 5
AI - Great People Choices Version 1
Diplomacy - Auto-Denounce Version 1
Enlightenment Era (Vox Populi) Version 1
Faster Aircraft Animations Version 3 (included in 4-17)
National Wonder Collection Version 3
Neolithic Wonders Version 1
Religion - Recurring Purchase Notify Version 1
Notify Exit Resistance Version 1
Unique City-States Version 6
Vox Populi's Bare Necessities Version 4

- 15 new civs ! Seriously ? This is too much

Since VP(4-17-2) it doesnt worth anymore to use the 7/29/2019

Ok. Why does it need a cleaning? What are the problems exactly? I am not opposed to doing all this but I want to know what the reason is.

What is wrong with the civs? There is no limit as far as I know.

Asterix Rage · May 6, 2020

Spharix said:
Why

Because:

Spharix said:
"Path too long" error

Because your lua.log is full of:

Spharix said:
: IconHookup error -

Because whatever the spec of your computer, Civ5 allows to use ~3.5GB max
Because you are using tons of overhaul modmods (overhaul+overhaul+overhaul=crash)
Because too much modmods bring too much of yield of many sort in the subtil VP balance and kill it
and just because

Make a try with a reasonable environment first.

Spharix · May 6, 2020

Asterix Rage said:
Because:

Because your lua.log is full of:

Because whatever the spec of your computer, Civ5 allows to use ~3.5GB max
Because you are using tons of overhaul modmods (overhaul+overhaul+overhaul=crash)
Because too much modmods bring too much of yield of many sort in the subtil VP balance and kill it
and just because

Make a try with a reasonable environment first.

I see. Thank you for explaining all of that!

I actually played with a mod list very similar to this one, albeit without Bare Necessities, the wonders mods, a few civs and a few others - and it all worked fine. I never crashed. Since I care about mechanics above all, is there any way to increase the ram limit? Or to stretch it(by reducing some settings)?

I will try playing how you suggested but if there's a way to play with the modlist I currently have it would be wonderful to hear about it.

pineappledan · May 6, 2020

playing in strategic mode lets you free up more RAM I think. There's no way to increase the ram; that's hard set by civ 5, regardless of how good your computer is.

Asterix Rage · May 6, 2020

Spharix said:
is there any way to increase the ram limit?

Forget about that

Spharix said:
I will try playing how you suggested

That's better

All modmods have their own concepts and are designed to interact smartly with VP individually. Believe me, all together result often in a disaster.
The best is: Play first VP without any modmods and fell what VP is. Then, play modmods one by one. At the end you'll know exactly where you want to go regarding your playstyle.

Asterix Rage · May 7, 2020

pineappledan said:
playing in strategic mode lets you free up more RAM I think

True.

Even better in ASCII mode :lol:

Spharix · May 7, 2020

pineappledan said:
playing in strategic mode lets you free up more RAM I think. There's no way to increase the ram; that's hard set by civ 5, regardless of how good your computer is.

Asterix Rage said:
Forget about that

That's better

All modmods have their own concepts and are designed to interact smartly with VP individually. Believe me, all together result often in a disaster.
The best is: Play first VP without any modmods and fell what VP is. Then, play modmods one by one. At the end you'll know exactly where you want to go regarding your playstyle.

Why are you assuming I haven't done this? I have hundreds of hours overall in VP, both without any modmods and with. Where I want to go with my playthroughs is to have many mods that affect the mechanics

that being said I understand there are limitations.

pineappledan said:
playing in strategic mode lets you free up more RAM I think. There's no way to increase the ram; that's hard set by civ 5, regardless of how good your computer is.

Ok, thank you!

adan_eslavo · May 8, 2020

Spharix said:
Where I want to go with my playthroughs is to have many mods that affect the mechanics

Look at this post and read few following pages, where I instructed one guy how to use bunch of mods and make them work properly. This mod list is my current mod list (I added some mods since then like fixed UI for cities, EAW from @Asterix Rage, fixed version of Hex Conquer and so on) you can use this as a base for further experiments. Remember that:

many of those mods were made to be compatible with latest VP so you must use latest beta;
mods must be loaded in correct order to use all stuff correctly;
mods outside of VP might look like compatible, but they are not balanced for sure or have some hidden bugs; only testing will tell you more;
overhauls must be prepared to interact with each other so using too many of them may cause lots of problems;

Anyways, welcome to VP modmod world. Enjoy extended experience and remember to read all details on first page or download pages for additional info about instalation process. For more questions you can PM me and I will try to help you.

AndreyK · May 11, 2020

I've seen somebody mention that the Aztecs can't build the floating gardens and that indeed happens. I am playing with the latest beta and Aztecs start and finish building the FG, but then the building doesn't appear in the list of built buildings and you are able to start building FG again and so on.

adan_eslavo · May 11, 2020

Do you use only MUCfVP or with other modmods?

AndreyK · May 12, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
Do you use only MUCfVP or with other modmods?

To check started from base VP + MUCfVP and added by one my modmods, was OK, after adding MWfVP it came back, seems there is a conflict of some sorts for Aztecs, because with Japan, Arabia didn't see anything wrong

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