A Brave New World Part 2
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SoldierChild
Anarchist
they could have sent the pigs to me, instead of killing them, i would have loved to have free bacon
ok im done being off subject now
Swissempire
Poet Jester
Egypt, a nation with 7.9 million Christians in it. Christians who like their bacon enough to riot for it after the slaughtering of their pigs.
Talk about extreme solutions that don't solve anything. That's the sort of thing I'd expect from your average NESer, not real world leaders... kinda sobering.
a_propagandist
The Light Brigadier
What's a good country to play? I'm thinking Netherlands, but it seems to be at a turning point and vulnerable to my poor play.
Jason The King
Deity
Georgia is indeed part of North America. One cannot simply wish to be detached from a continent. Georgia still shares borders with North American nations, whether she likes it or not. In this regard they are and forever shall be North American. And because France is obligated by treaty to detach herself from North America, she is in violation of the Treaty of Rome.
Georgia was not rejected from the UNSA for not being "American" enough. She was rejected for her blatant warmongering with Florida and her plans for further operations against Louisiana and Texas.
Need I remind you that it was French intervention that ultimately broke the Gulf Alliance, not Georgia herself. France has for too long propped up her puppet regime in North America, and just when it seemed a loss in the Great War, Treaty legislation, and her civil war would keep her out she once again intrudes where she does not belong.
To: Communist China
From: The Republic of China
If you will not agree to immediately rejoin the coalition, we request a temporary cease-fire until the Imperial government and corrupt warlords are destroyed. After that we can hopefully come to a peaceful resolution. If you speak with your Socialist brothers across the world, you'll find they agree with this.
@EQ: It should be noted that there is no reason to think my coalition would be any more right-wing than OOTL and even with the communist leaving, our membership still would have significant socialist leanings. This coupled with the fact that since I've only ever done military operations, our economic policy is essentially non-existent, there really is no good pretext for the communists to leave so suddenly. Nonetheless, I will accept that the rebellion might have been more due to the fact my stability was low, and while I think it would have been better to have simply been another warlordship forming, if they really are Communist, they would be interested in persuading more of my coalition to go along with them and thus I think a ceasefire and peaceful resolution to the problem is not realistically out of the question. In short essentially, the rebellion is not what irks me, its the fact that by taking the Communists out of my coalition before I had made *ANY* decisions which would effect their perception of my government, it kind of hampered my freedom to form my nation how I please (making the game less enjoyable). I am not asking you to backtrack the rebellion or make them suddenly bow to me or even give me an easy victory; just not to simply use them as a tool to make things more difficult irrationally, which most of the time, such as with Gaungxi I actually find somewhat enjoyable, but the difference there is it does not have potential to force me to change my nation into something I don't want to play as.
From: The Republic of China
If you will not agree to immediately rejoin the coalition, we request a temporary cease-fire until the Imperial government and corrupt warlords are destroyed. After that we can hopefully come to a peaceful resolution. If you speak with your Socialist brothers across the world, you'll find they agree with this.
@EQ: It should be noted that there is no reason to think my coalition would be any more right-wing than OOTL and even with the communist leaving, our membership still would have significant socialist leanings. This coupled with the fact that since I've only ever done military operations, our economic policy is essentially non-existent, there really is no good pretext for the communists to leave so suddenly. Nonetheless, I will accept that the rebellion might have been more due to the fact my stability was low, and while I think it would have been better to have simply been another warlordship forming, if they really are Communist, they would be interested in persuading more of my coalition to go along with them and thus I think a ceasefire and peaceful resolution to the problem is not realistically out of the question. In short essentially, the rebellion is not what irks me, its the fact that by taking the Communists out of my coalition before I had made *ANY* decisions which would effect their perception of my government, it kind of hampered my freedom to form my nation how I please (making the game less enjoyable). I am not asking you to backtrack the rebellion or make them suddenly bow to me or even give me an easy victory; just not to simply use them as a tool to make things more difficult irrationally, which most of the time, such as with Gaungxi I actually find somewhat enjoyable, but the difference there is it does not have potential to force me to change my nation into something I don't want to play as.
From Italy
To Virginia
You are trying to extend the removal of French forces into a ban on any French Merchants, Goods, and Ideas from being in North America? France has already said they will not be sending any troops to North America. Calm down.
To Virginia
You are trying to extend the removal of French forces into a ban on any French Merchants, Goods, and Ideas from being in North America? France has already said they will not be sending any troops to North America. Calm down.
We are not attached to North America, North America is 6000 kilometres away from us.
Jason the King said:
It was Gulf irresponsibility, incompetence, and stupidity that broke the Gulf Alliance. The French artillery was an investment to protect the peace-loving people of Georgia from encroachment by pretender nations run by hill-williams and "Hispaniolos."
OOC - Edit - If I may:
You make the essential mistake of misunderstanding the Chinese civil war, and the Communists of China, which were different enough from their Soviet counterparts and vastly different from their American counterparts. These are the same communists who preached the dialectic and were uninterested in compromise - they want to tear apart imperialist influences and forces, and won't be likely to go with a lot that gets its primary support from without China. These are not the slaphappy Brazilian "everything's hunky-dory" Socialists, these are hardcore revolutionary Communists. It's their way or the highway. It may sound unfair, it may seem dumb, but it is certainly accurate that they won't want to find a "middle ground."
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OOC: You may.
Well the difference there is part of the reason the Communists became so radical OOTL was because they were so disliked by large parts of the KMT (the parts who at this stage are mostly still junior members). At this stage in time we still have many of the leaders were who "on-the-line" between being Communist and not, and a few turns ago when we were setting up our elections in our orders, the Communist were allowed to compete like everyone else. The problem is that "these communist", the extremely radical ones who only want violence, from my perception should be significantly weaker or nonexistent than OOTL given that the Communist as a whole were doing more than well working within the system. There is no reason by waiting they couldn't potentially bring the whole coalition with them instead of randomly breaking off. There were reasons the actual Chinese Civil War didn't begin until the Warlord era was about over (and we still seem to be in the middle of it) and even then it was the Nationalists under Chaing Kai-shek (Who is a mid-level general still) who instigated the fighting by attempting purges. Again, the reason this bothers me from an "out-of-game" point of view is that it essentially forces me to be Anti-Communist (taking away my freedom to decide my own agenda) when there was nothing I had done that would indicate this. Also like I said, I'm not attempting to force EQ to backtrack what happened or anything just simply make sure he takes note of what I think would be the likely political situation of the time in his decision to make a cease-fire with me or not.
To: Italy
From: The Union of Mexico
The treaty implied the removal of French infuence from the America's. An alliance with Georgia would see this influence returned.
To: Germany
From: The Union of Mexico
Your raids against SUSA cannot go unpunished. Your forces in South America have already been defeated. We suggest not continuing on with this war and instead looking to come to terms as the situation can only get worse for the millions of men you have deployed in South America.
From: The Union of Mexico
The treaty implied the removal of French infuence from the America's. An alliance with Georgia would see this influence returned.
To: Germany
From: The Union of Mexico
Your raids against SUSA cannot go unpunished. Your forces in South America have already been defeated. We suggest not continuing on with this war and instead looking to come to terms as the situation can only get worse for the millions of men you have deployed in South America.
La Plata
Iroquois
Greece
Egypt
Scotland
Bulgaria
la Plata
Algonquin
Pennsylvania
Rashid Arabia
New France
Venezuela
These are probably the most playable/viable.
Swissempire
Poet Jester
Would like to announce that I am Cuba.
human-slaughter
brand new year
Your friendly Ally in Crime, Texas, can be reached privately at AIM: btal89
From Italy
To Mexico
Lets put it simply, you are punishing Italy and Portugal because we also happen to be allies with France. There is no reason for this. France has said they will stay out of NA militarily. You cannot truly think that an entire continent is off limits to ideas, goods, and merchants simply because they are French. Georgia asked us for this defensive alliance and research pact. Italy considers this matter done.
To Mexico
Lets put it simply, you are punishing Italy and Portugal because we also happen to be allies with France. There is no reason for this. France has said they will stay out of NA militarily. You cannot truly think that an entire continent is off limits to ideas, goods, and merchants simply because they are French. Georgia asked us for this defensive alliance and research pact. Italy considers this matter done.
To: France, Georgia, and others concerned with this issue
From: Canada
As far as we are concerned, France is in violation of the Treaty of Rome if an alliance with Georgia is formed. As we understand the Treaty of Rome, if any agreement or action is made by the government of France with a government from North America, then France is in violation of the treaty as France would have a influence over that government’s decisions, even if only a small influence. In this case, that government is Georgia. To remedy this violation, France and the nations currently in the Co-Axial Pact of Nations must simply rescind their offer of membership to Georgia. Then, no violation will be committed by France, and therefore, we would have no further issues with France.
From: Canada
As far as we are concerned, France is in violation of the Treaty of Rome if an alliance with Georgia is formed. As we understand the Treaty of Rome, if any agreement or action is made by the government of France with a government from North America, then France is in violation of the treaty as France would have a influence over that government’s decisions, even if only a small influence. In this case, that government is Georgia. To remedy this violation, France and the nations currently in the Co-Axial Pact of Nations must simply rescind their offer of membership to Georgia. Then, no violation will be committed by France, and therefore, we would have no further issues with France.
I will respond to questions privately over PM, ya'll are certainly keeping me busy this time, which I have no complaints about.
Regarding TheLastJacobite, I've lost complete contact with him over the past two weeks, I'm trying to restore contact, but so far unsuccessfully. If you have diplomacy for him, I will be currently managing his affairs as an NPC nation.
Regarding communist China, a quick summary would be the view crezth expressed. However, let's in character with this timeline. Yes, the republic would hold elections and so forth and the communists would compete. But their influences have been from the rising Socialist International. Members at these meetings have thoroughly expressed the opinion that true social change can only come through violent revolution. Democracy is believed to have failed, looking at Venezuela and Pennsylvania as nations where Socialist Parties have achieved power but failed to act in coherence with the rest of the socialist world. Elections cannot be relied on to support communism, and democracy is an outdated and unwanted notion. There is one probable change though. They may control a good deal of territory, but in my studies I find it unlikely that they can have the mass support that they had in RL at the moment. If some other person would care to debate my opinions on the Chinese communist, please do it via PM.
Regarding TheLastJacobite, I've lost complete contact with him over the past two weeks, I'm trying to restore contact, but so far unsuccessfully. If you have diplomacy for him, I will be currently managing his affairs as an NPC nation.
Regarding communist China, a quick summary would be the view crezth expressed. However, let's in character with this timeline. Yes, the republic would hold elections and so forth and the communists would compete. But their influences have been from the rising Socialist International. Members at these meetings have thoroughly expressed the opinion that true social change can only come through violent revolution. Democracy is believed to have failed, looking at Venezuela and Pennsylvania as nations where Socialist Parties have achieved power but failed to act in coherence with the rest of the socialist world. Elections cannot be relied on to support communism, and democracy is an outdated and unwanted notion. There is one probable change though. They may control a good deal of territory, but in my studies I find it unlikely that they can have the mass support that they had in RL at the moment. If some other person would care to debate my opinions on the Chinese communist, please do it via PM.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
To France
From Deseret
We voice our agreement with Virginia and the others, France signing any kind of pact with Georgia will in violation of the Treaty of Rome. We fought a bloody war to keep your influences out of the Americas, do not start another.
Do not allow Georgia to run and hide behind you.
From Deseret
We voice our agreement with Virginia and the others, France signing any kind of pact with Georgia will in violation of the Treaty of Rome. We fought a bloody war to keep your influences out of the Americas, do not start another.
Do not allow Georgia to run and hide behind you.
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