A Brave New World Part 2

[Tyrion]

And yet your not confident enough of Gods support to even try invading, a pity your God has such easily scared followers...

 

[TerrorIncognita]

We are merely manifesting God's will. They have turned their backs on the Holy Trinity - we understand the modern bishops of the Church have forgiven this act, but we know that God is not so forgiving.

The Church appreciates your understanding.

 

[spryllino]

I would like to reserve Poland for ABNW 3 please.

I do not speak Polish, and so my naming of the political parties is probably extremely dubious: please correct me if you know better names.

 

[spryllino]

For A Brave New World 2.2, I will be needing various party names for ALL countries, and this is one of the few things I can start on right away. If you would like to provide a less generic grouping of party names for your country or a country you may be familiar with, please, post on the thread political names for the following genres of political parties. This is of course can be applicable to any country, not just republics, as even dictatorships of ideologies of some kind. To prevent an argument, I consider ideologies in modern terms of "liberal" and "conservative" so keep this in mind. Also a move which would support this effort would be to provide names for legislative (Congress, Parliament, etc.) and executive (President, Prime Minister, etc) branches of your government. The ideologies are as follows, with optional ones marked with apostrophes, as some may not be legal in various countries:
Communist*-Socialist/Syndicalist*-Liberal-Moderate-Conservative-Lisist*(aka fascist)-Reactionary*

Power in Poland is shared between the King (Krol), the Senate (Senat), and the Chamber of Deputies (Izba Poselska). The Senate and Chamber of Deputies must both pass all legislation.

The King may veto any legislation, and possesses a tiebreaker vote in either house. In addition, the King may force a decision on a matter being debated in parliament if the two houses fail to agree on a decision for more than a year after the start of the parliamentary debate on the decision. In addition, the King may demand that an issue or proposal be debated in parliament, but the King may do this on no more than eighty occasions each year. Unlike in the mediaeval Commonwealth, the monarchy is entirely hereditary.

The Prime Minister is the leader of the largest party in government. The Prime Minister can expel members of their own party, appoints the Cabinet, and has a significant amount of control over how their party members vote.

The Chamber of Deputies deliberates on all decisions before the Senate.

The Chamber of Deputies is composed of three hundred seats, and these seats each represent a county (Powiat) of Poland. The counties of Poland are arbitrated by a committee, appointed by the Senate, that convenes every ten years to ensure that the population of each county is similar.

The Senate is composed of one hundred seats. Forty of these are controlled by the Polish districts. Twenty of these are controlled by Belarusian districts. Fifteen of these are controlled by Ukrainian districts. Ten of these are controlled by Poleszuk districts. Ten of these are controlled by the synagogues in the ten biggest Polish cities. Five of these are controlled by the five top Polish universities.

Parties, in order of current strength in parliament:

Front wielka (United Front). This holds an absolute majority in both houses, and is composed of conservatives and liberals alike that favour the current constitution strongly and back the King.

Partia liberalna (Liberal Party). This is the main opposition, composed of three factions, none of which control the party. These are the revolutionaries too far to the left to join the United Front, the old Russian Federative Party, and the Republicans. However, as no faction controls the party, this party does not in fact advocate Republicanism or reunion with Russia, and is not very far to the left of the United Front.

Narodowa unia (National Union). This party is a centre-right party formed by the politicians of the old Russian Conservative and National parties.

Rzeczpospolity partia (Commonwealth Party). This favours reunion, by force if necessary, of the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe (Polish Peasants’ Party). This favours the interests of farming, and is socially conservative, although fairly left-wing. It believes that the Catholic Church should have a central and substantial role in Polish politics. It is not yet very popular because it has only just been founded and because most farmers are voting for the United Front or the Liberal Party, through enthusiasm at independence from Russia.

Partia socjalistyczna-rewolucyjna (Socialist-Revolutionary Party). This, formerly Russian, party was once Communist, but became more Social Democrat after the influence of Communism declined worldwide. Now it is moving to the far left again as its ground is taken by the Liberal Party.

 

[TerrorIncognita]

He wasn't kidding when he said there's lots of engaging reading in this thread!

The SUSA has changed its stance on the Treaty of Baton Rouge, and no longer accepts it. After discussing with his advisers, Prestes has realized that his granting approval to the treaty was too hasty. The treaty is flawed in that it does not address the SUSA in any way, and is therefore more a treaty between the UCNA and the Allies. We should never have signed a treaty that did not address ourselves.

In addition, we ask that the UCNA to rescind their support for the Treaty of Baton Rouge, since the treaty does not end the war against the SUSA. For the UCNA to continue to support the treaty would be an abandonment of her Socialist ally, and potentially leaving the SUSA to fend for herself against the Capitalists. However, we will reconsider our stance if the treaty were to address the SUSA and create a peace between the Allies and the SUSA, thus hopefully ending the Yankee-Socialist War (as this war is known in the SUSA).

Huh. Is this what lost the war? I am presuming that the American Allies in fact did not intend to wage war on the Socialist Union.
I love how epic wars are sometimes decided by the shuffling of papers as it seems if the Union's inclusion had originally been mentioned it would not have been objected to.

Virginia announces, that because of the unpopularity and lack of consensus from the Allies concerning the Treaty of Baton Rouge, that the Treaty has not been ratified. As a result, Virginia pulls its support from the Treaty and stands by for any other proposal the communists might make.

ooc: Can all the allies please send me a copy of what you plan to do concerning the war effort ASAP (please include as many specific numbers as possible!!!) so I can formulate grand strategy much like last turn.

I suppose this is the true reason for the events that unfolded. Chaos in the Allied Camp forced Virginia to soldier on? :') That's... so beautiful in an eerily realistic way! Though in order to not lose any coordination in the war effort it must have been something like a 1-month truce while beurocrats and electives battled it out with letter* openers and paperweights in Baton Rouge.
(*not to mention the shredder of course)

 

[Jason The King]

I suppose this is the true reason for the events that unfolded. Chaos in the Allied Camp forced Virginia to soldier on? :') That's... so beautiful in an eerily realistic way! Though in order to not lose any coordination in the war effort it must have been something like a 1-month truce while beurocrats and electives battled it out with letter* openers and paperweights in Baton Rouge.
(*not to mention the shredder of course)

Indeed. I was unable to get the majority of the alliance to sign on. That and UCNA was unable to back the treaty in the end as well. It was horrible since the Treaty was a product of nearly 4-5 hours of negotiation late at night between myself and Justo (UCNA), only to be rejected by our allies the next day.

 

[TerrorIncognita]

Yes, I know the feeling...

Nice to see the story has a happy ending (! I shudder to think what the world would be like) and congratulations on the War Cup at the end of game.


So why didn't the UCNA back the treaty? I read something about internal conflict, with the hardliners seizing power as the negotiations were under way/failed. Did you avoid a sucker punch that would've happened even against the will of Justo's diplomats? I note the treaty was very favorable to the Northern Collective, especially if one considers the morale penalties the EAN took for losing in Europe.

Hope I'm not asking too many questions... but most gamers like to tell tales. : )

...woooh, that was like reading a book...


PS. Does anyone know if the Catholic Church is in possession of the Vatican?
Thanks for any answers to all my questions.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Yes, he was able to continue stomping on the Métis for several additional turns.

 

[Jason The King]

Yes, he was able to continue stomping on the Métis for several additional turns.

Life could have been good under the Protectorate! If you had only given me a chance

 

[TerrorIncognita]

Yes, that was quite the amazing fight Mr. Iggy!

Why did you leave? If the issue was political perhaps New England would have been pleased to send a few divisions of peacekeepers.
Or perhaps... thinking of the history, Virginia was probably never motivated to go to northern Canada in the first place?


... I think I'm going to go see if there are any appropriate mecha musume* illustrations for this game's nations...
... literally meaning 'mecha/machine/X daughter', a genre first encompassing figurine incarnations of historical weapons that has since expanded in different directions. I'll post anything in OOC sections of course. Muehehehee..

 

[Justo]

Yes, I know the feeling...

Nice to see the story has a happy ending (! I shudder to think what the world would be like) and congratulations on the War Cup at the end of game.


So why didn't the UCNA back the treaty? I read something about internal conflict, with the hardliners seizing power as the negotiations where under way/failed. Did you avoid a sucker punch that would've happened even against the will of Justo's diplomats? I note the treaty was very favorable to the Northern Collective, especially if one considers the morale penalties the EAN took for losing in Europe.

Hope I'm not asking too many questions... but most gamers like to tell tales. : )

...woooh, that was like reading a book...


PS. Does anyone know if the Catholic Church is in possession of the Vatican?
Thanks for any answers to all my questions.

The treaty failed because ultimately it was unacceptable to both sides. The allies couldn't accept the loss of Texas but hadn't been successful enough to warrant a white peace the offer of Nicaragua was tempting but to the UCNA the Texan border had to be tamed. The UCNA considered the war an act of self defense and couldn't allow Texas to return to its former state. Even having Texas converted into a Communist dictatorship wasn't considered much of a victory at the time considering the UCNA and Communist forces held large parts of Louisiana, Georgia and Nicaragua while the allies had only just begun advancing into Lakota.

The change in the UCNA's government after the failure of the treaty was more due to its failure. Hardliners were able to garner support by proclaiming that the eastern nations were unreasonable and couldn't be negotiated with. The secret terms never revealed to the world were IMO the main reasons why the treaty was contemplated so. North America would be quite interesting had it been accepted.

A Communist victory in North America wouldn't be so bad. Stability would be maintained. The people of North America would probably live safer lives under a Communist North America than they do now with each nation pushing its own agenda and alliance structures and divisions reforming yet again. The UCNA fighting to the bitter end(whatever that may be) regardless would be crippling for all involved.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Canada has never held any authority in the lands presently owned by the Métis, beyond their brief occupations of parts of our land during our initial independence movement and our recent war.

The Virginians... Sauvage had been willing to work with them, if they hadn't insisted on running things on their terms. He came to them on the impression that peace was beginning, only to have it fall apart and become a political prisoner and a powerless, rarely-seen puppet, a name to be thrown about to offer apparent legitimacy to the Virginian Occupation.

The nation which was once an outpost of forward thought and civilization has been grievously harmed by the past decade... all of the reasonable forces have been wiped out, only the most dedicated extremists remain, unfortunately.

 

[Matt0088]

I WANT THUNDER BAY! RAWR!

You know you stole it.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Marcel's uncle's stepbrother went to Hamilton Once, making that city an integral part of the Métis nation.

 

[Crezth]

As for Europe, the best and only option for the European people won out in the end.

 

[TerrorIncognita]

Canada has never held any authority in the lands presently owned by the Métis, beyond their brief occupations of parts of our land during our initial independence movement and our recent war.

The Virginians... Sauvage had been willing to work with them, if they hadn't insisted on running things on their terms. He came to them on the impression that peace was beginning, only to have it fall apart and become a political prisoner and a powerless, rarely-seen puppet, a name to be thrown about to offer apparent legitimacy to the Virginian Occupation.

The nation which was once an outpost of forward thought and civilization has been grievously harmed by the past decade... all of the reasonable forces have been wiped out, only the most dedicated extremists remain, unfortunately.

You led a beautiful nation indeed (! epic storytelling and winterized fights/guerilla fights that I can only hope to achieve), but I question the wisdom of joining a world war by giving RoP to one faction for regional peer protection in a volatile region. Perhaps in the case of the Metis a far-flung ally who would not as easily involve her in conflict might have been preferred.
But then again hindsight is 20/20 (edit: turns out I lacked some information).

Edit: Also I noted what you said that I got the claimant/-ethnicity wrong. The Metis are Indian-French (I knew they were Francophone), but I misplaced Metis as a potential part of Canada in my mind due to Quebec's IRL francophone and Canadian status.


Dear Sirs, does the Church have the Vatican? If not; (IC) I would like to graciously ask Signora Italy and Monsieur France for it as a gift, of which there is no ill consequence in refusing.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

OOC: First of all, I was really in no position to refuse the UCNA's wishes to move into Canada, being a rather uninfluential power. I permitted their troops through, and sent humanitarian aid to Canada to ease the suffering involved in its collapse. I recognized the legitimate Liberal Government of Canada as the rightful leadership, up to the point where they were destroyed by a group which openly held the intention of exterminating the French populations of North America. We then recognized the Sudbury-based Peoples Republic as the legitimate government, due to a complete lack of other feasible alternatives. It was at this point where Virginians and their cohort decided to strike against the Métis. They could have had the intended effect by simply seizing the tiny border area which allowed the United Collectives access to the North, but instead moved in without negotiations and destroyed the government of the Métis, attempting to resurrect us as a puppet dictatorship. We resisted, and for that we have suffered more grievously than any country of our sins would have ever dreamed possible.

 

[Adrogans]

A - its not in France so why you direct your question that way is beyond me.
B - We never kicked you out, but there is no vatican city nation per se, as you have never been bothered nor will be.
C - making it an official nation...we will see.

 

[Circuit]

Huh. Is this what lost the war? I am presuming that the American Allies in fact did not intend to wage war on the Socialist Union.
I love how epic wars are sometimes decided by the shuffling of papers as it seems if the Union's inclusion had originally been mentioned it would not have been objected to.

The SUSA's influence on the war in North America was minimal. What was more devastating was the Allies' refusal of the treaty, not SUSA's withdrawal.

 

[TerrorIncognita]

A - its not in France so why you direct your question that way is beyond me.
B - We never kicked you out, but there is no vatican city nation per se, as you have never been bothered nor will be.
C - making it an official nation...we will see.

If you should ever do us the grace of offering it to us we will of course provide the best compensation that we are capable of.

OOC: First of all, I was really in no position to refuse the UCNA's wishes to move into Canada, being a rather uninfluential power. I permitted their troops through, and sent humanitarian aid to Canada to ease the suffering involved in its collapse. I recognized the legitimate Liberal Government of Canada as the rightful leadership, up to the point where they were destroyed by a group which openly held the intention of exterminating the French populations of North America. We then recognized the Sudbury-based Peoples Republic as the legitimate government, due to a complete lack of other feasible alternatives. It was at this point where Virginians and their cohort decided to strike against the Métis. They could have had the intended effect by simply seizing the tiny border area which allowed the United Collectives access to the North, but instead moved in without negotiations and destroyed the government of the Métis, attempting to resurrect us as a puppet dictatorship. We resisted, and for that we have suffered more grievously than any country of our sins would have ever dreamed possible.

I didn't think of cutting off the supply line.
So if the UCNA had been offended Metis would have been thrown out of the ISCG without anyone to protect them from Quebec and Nationalist Canada.
I hope I didn't offend you by the way, there's a lot of decisions I don't understand, and while I may have my own opinions I know I am largely in the dark. At any rate though I was still mentally integrating the data I had read when I questioned the wisdom (even after superlative praises) of a veteran player mostly out of the left field. That is a slightly rude and insensitive way of asking a question or airing my thoughts.

Also I noted what you said that I got the claimant/-ethnicity wrong. The Metis are Indian-French (I knew they were Francophone), but I misplaced Metis as a potential part of Canada in my mind due to Quebec's IRL francophone and Canadian status.

The treaty failed because ultimately it was unacceptable to both sides. The allies couldn't accept the loss of Texas but hadn't been successful enough to warrant a white peace the offer of Nicaragua was tempting but to the UCNA the Texan border had to be tamed. The UCNA considered the war an act of self defense and couldn't allow Texas to return to its former state. Even having Texas converted into a Communist dictatorship wasn't considered much of a victory at the time considering the UCNA and Communist forces held large parts of Louisiana, Georgia and Nicaragua while the allies had only just begun advancing into Lakota.

The change in the UCNA's government after the failure of the treaty was more due to its failure. Hardliners were able to garner support by proclaiming that the eastern nations were unreasonable and couldn't be negotiated with. The secret terms never revealed to the world were IMO the main reasons why the treaty was contemplated so. North America would be quite interesting had it been accepted.

A Communist victory in North America wouldn't be so bad. Stability would be maintained. The people of North America would probably live safer lives under a Communist North America than they do now with each nation pushing its own agenda and alliance structures and divisions reforming yet again. The UCNA fighting to the bitter end(whatever that may be) regardless would be crippling for all involved.

Huh, you're right things are continueing to be violent. Plus there would have been great job security!
Would there be religious freedom and local beurocracy under a CNA?

The SUSA's influence on the war in North America was minimal. What was more devastating was the Allies' refusal of the treaty, not SUSA's withdrawal.

Yes, I realized my mistake a page or so later when Jason announced a failure for the Northern Alliance as a whole to reach a consensus.

PS. Circuit: Does SUSA see itself as Brazilian/Portuguese or does it attempt to ignore these potentially burgoise definitions in favor of its identity as purely Socialist authoritarian state? Also, do you allow religious freedom? Thanks for any answers if you have the time!