A Place In The Sun

Discussion in 'Imperium OffTopicum' started by Tee Kay, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    You're on the other side of the planet with, at the time of writing, no sealift or military capacity that the IU is aware of to base any decision on.
     
  2. JohannaK

    JohannaK Heroically Clueless

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    Let's form an alliance, Sone, for the sake of the old empire. :mischief:
     
  3. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    France will protect the status quo and peace in Europe. If a state in Europe becomes aggressive without reason and refuses our diplomatic proposals, we shall ally with the defending power, whoever he may be. Peace in Europe!
     
  4. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    This makes no sense. Why are China and the Marathas more industrialized than GB for example?
     
  5. JohannaK

    JohannaK Heroically Clueless

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    They aren't more industrialized, they just produce more.
     
  6. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    Is it just the some of each province's income?
     
  7. SouthernKing

    SouthernKing crickety cricket

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    Yes it is
     
  8. Ailedhoo

    Ailedhoo wonderer

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    Why does it not make sense for a China in this alternative history to not be industrialist?
     
  9. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    You expect me to believe that a historical divergence in 1700 resulted in China industrializing within the next 131 years? You think the Qing dynasty was capable of industrializing?
     
  10. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    Yes. It isn't like China wasn't capable of industrialization even before the Qing.

    Europe wouldn't surpass China until ~1850.
     
  11. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    So go ahead, explain what changed that the Qing decide to industrialize.
     
  12. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    With a PoD of 1700? Taking into account that he isn't the Qing dynasty? Easy.

    The new Chinese government took a more forward-looking policy in regards to trade, especially in light of the state's reliance on silver for taxation. With the barbarians to the north effectively subdued, or at least, no longer an active threat, China was able to get away with investing into sea trade based on the idea that the Ming managed to do the exact same thing under Zheng He. The drive to maintain favorable trade balances of silver led to technological innovation on the part of intrepid explorers.

    Really, it is harder to justify an industrialized Europe beating China with a PoD of 1700 than the other way around.
     
  13. Ailedhoo

    Ailedhoo wonderer

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    Never mind this post: Sone explained better than I could.
     
  14. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    Yea, no. So then you have to explain why the Qing dynasty fell.
     
  15. Terran Empress

    Terran Empress Hornet

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    The same reason any other dynasty fell?
     
  16. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    There is no one reason why any dynasty fell.
     
  17. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    Link. Somebody who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones. Before asking other players to write essays, maybe you should tend to your garden.

    How about you explain why the Bolivarian Republic exists despite a PoD of 1700 very likely causing butterflies that sweep away literally everything after 1725, including the Napoleonic Wars.

    But you know what, lets not dwell on that. Lets dwell on you, a player who has put less effort into his sign up than most other players in this thread, calling out China for being industrialized without adequately explaining why Chinese industrialization is so impossible. Before asking other players why a dynasty doesn't exist, maybe you should first write us all a ten page essay about why the Bolivarian Republic exists with a PoD of 1700, which is actually less realistic than an industrialized China.

    If you can't see why that is less "realistic", that is on you. Not us. Notice how we're not aggressively going after your country. Except I am now, because you're being irritating to a good chunk of the playerbase.

    Vote: Linkman226
     
  18. Terran Empress

    Terran Empress Hornet

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    no your right, its various reasons, peasant rebellions, various invaders, natural disasters, corrupt administration, decadent rulers, failing bureaucracy, Loss of the mandate of Heaven.

    Take your pick

    ultimately this video will probably give you a better idea.


    Link to video.

    anyways why the heck does it really matter?

    HELL I haven't even described my nation other than the fact that I am the "Mexican Empire" and you are complaining that china is industrialized.

    Especially since they are NOT the Qing or Ming dynasty

    edit: I think sone said it better than I did, thank you sone :D
     
  19. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    I asked a question, namely, why China's so industrialized. You blew this up for no reason with inane non-sequitors.

    As for my own history, I'm working on it.

    Not complaining, simply asking.
     
  20. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    I know that this may be difficult for you, so I'm going to walk you through each of your questions as carefully as possible. Please follow along.

    1. Yes.

    2. Yes.

    With the caveat that the answer to number two is yes, despite the fact that he is, indeed, not playing as the Qing Dynasty.

    This is not a question. See, this is a command. You started it off with a verb, and I don't see a question mark in sight. I'm sure with your incredible reading skills, you will see that you never actually asked a question relating to the why or how. Commands aren't questions, at least, not in the civilized world we inhabit.

    I hope this has been helpful.
     

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