affirmative action?

[CELTICEMPIRE]

So when whites become a minority (they almost are where I live), will they be eligible for AA?

depends on if they are rich or poor as a group.

 

[JollyRoger]

how is that?

Law school gets an application of a white guy with a substandard college GPA. Law school reads his personal statement. Law school lets white guy in over hundreds of rejected applicants with higher GPAs.

 

[Arwon]

I don't really think that what is described in the OP is actually affirmative action.

The whole idea of AA is to make sure that people of all backgrounds can have an equal quality of life. In Australia, for example, AA is often targeted towards the Indigenous population, because of the absolutely horrific disparity between that segment of the population and the population as a whole. Ignoring the disparity doesn't help anyone. AA both helps that segment of the population, and benefits everyone else as a result (having a highly disadvantaged segment of the population isn't good for anyone).

I agree with Bill in preferring it to be based on socio-economic factors rather than purely on race, though.

There's also some support for rural kids.

 

[sophie]

I prefer socioeconomic AA to race-based AA. Race doesn't fully signify the difficulties with the socioeconomic correlation. For example, African immigrants get race-based AA for being african american, but they are one of the most socioeconomically successful immigrant groups in the United States, as the African immigrants here are the cream of the crop from Africa. I don't think they deserve the same advantage that a struggling bright mind from the Mississippi Delta ought to have, or a poor white kid from West Virginia.

Considering that the problems with race is such strongly correlated to socioeconomic factors anyway, it would solve the same problems that we are trying to solve without the "AA is rasist" objection.

This 100% Thanks for phrasing what I said in a much more desirable and expressive way Bill!

 

[civ_king]

I think the problem for AA is that the socioeconomic data doesn't seem to account for families having a high household income because they have 2+ people working

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Law school sgets an application of a white guy with a substandard college GPA. Law school reads his personal statement. Law school lets white guy in over hundreds of rejected applicants with higher GPAs.

well that's just racist

 

[Camikaze]

Everyone is racist.

I'm not racist, thus proving your theory false

Link to video.

Not sure I entirely agree with the song, but it is catchy.

 

[Bill3000]

well that's just racist

I don't think that word means what you think that means.

 

[JollyRoger]

well that's just racist

Why? I didn't get in because of my race and the 100s that got rejected spanned the rainbow.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

heres my opinion about race:
its just a something people use to divide people into categories, please tell me if I'm being ignorant.

 

[Arwon]

You're being ignorant.

The American class system is heavily racialised to the extent where a lot of people don't even realise that it is a class thing.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Not sure I entirely agree with the song, but it is catchy.

I don't think it was meant to be serious. But I will comment on one part that I think WAS supposed to be serious:

Wishing the Mexican boy would learn to speak (Censored) English

That isn't racism.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

treating skin colour differently is as silly as treating blonds differently from brunettes, from Black haired people.

 

[sophie]

treating skin colour differently is as silly as treating blonds differently from brunettes, from Black haired people.

Exactly. Hence the arguments for socioeconomic, rather than racial AA.

 

[GhostWriter16]

treating skin colour differently is as silly as treating blonds differently from brunettes, from Black haired people.

I agree!

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Exactly. Hence the arguments for socioeconomic, rather than racial AA.

Ill think about socioeconomic AA, but I'm not positive about it.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Ill think about socioeconomic AA, but I'm not positive about it.

I don't support it merely on the grounds of opposing government intervention, but its no different than any other government intervention. It, unlike AA, is not bigoted.

 

[Bill3000]

treating skin colour differently is as silly as treating blonds differently from brunettes, from Black haired people.

But we do. Blonds are ugly.

 

[JollyRoger]

treating skin colour differently is as silly as treating blonds differently from brunettes, from Black haired people.

Do you choose who you date based on race, gender, or hair color?

 

[Arwon]

But we do. Blonds are ugly.

They all look the same!