Against Universal healthcare, why ?
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^^ as I just added to an edit, it is not 100% govt control. French govt is 79.9%, Uk is 87.1, Sweden is 81.7, and Canada is 70.3 (world health organization charts I linked to earlier)
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Electricity and Water is nationalised in certain parts of the country.
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Japan has Universal Healthcare, and it's less nationalized then out current system(with Medicare and Medicaid). All privately owned & operated. The gov. only passes laws to regulate it. Why couldn't we do the same?
Goverment already regulates the insurance companies.
Taking from the rich and giving to the poor is Communism and/or Socialism, depending on your personal definition.
F that
Im in a lower middle class family, we dont got a lot of money at all, but I think when people work for $$, they should get to keep it.
Capitalism is destroyed when you take from the rich and give to the poor--hate to bring up Obama but it seems we will get more Socialist like with our new President
F that
Im in a lower middle class family, we dont got a lot of money at all, but I think when people work for $$, they should get to keep it.
Capitalism is destroyed when you take from the rich and give to the poor--hate to bring up Obama but it seems we will get more Socialist like with our new President
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So, how does taking from the rich and giving to the poor mean that businesses will no longer be owned by private individuals?
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If the doctor wants to, they can treat you. They cannot however, charge you a separate fee for it.
That's odd, I've seen the American Health Care system, and it scares the bejesus out of me.
its a aspect of Communism/Socialism
Making all people ''equal''
You can work for 12 hours and another guy 12 hours, but you work your &#%# off and the other guy is lazy, yet he gets the benefits as much as you do=socialism/communism
if I work hard, I dont want my money giving to those who havnt earned it by being as successful as me
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Okay, you are not understanding this. Capitalism is when businesses are owned by private individuals. How will taxing them more suddenly make the government own them as you have stated is "Socialism?"
The words you are looking for are "progressive taxation" not "socialism."
no, its a aspect of Socialism as I said,-- spreading the wealth..
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Ha ha! Do you consider Sweden socialist?
no, but have some parts of socialism in the government
some aspects of it
full socialism so far tends to come with communism
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Are the two mutually exclusive?
depends on your point of view
to me, socialism and communism are differnet
a full discussion of this though could be made into a thread if needed
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No need, I was just trying to find out where you stand.
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A Government that can give you everything can take everything away, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Which is why there are 70 million gun owners and a few hundred million privately owned firearms in these United States. (Which proves that Guns are not the problem, also that Gun confiscation will probably end up in a Second American Revolution or Counter Revolution).
When you really pry and prod the truth out of an American, they distrust the Government. All we got to do is look at the History of Marxism to know its truth, it cares exactly jack about the individual, hell Karl Marx called us the Masses! We are now seeing in Socialized countries, that they are having to ration healthcare, such as in Great Britain. Government decides who lives and who dies.
Also, we got Welfare which has done utterly no good and is nothing more than people living off the hard work of others. We believe or atleast I do, that a person's individual industriousness is not collective property but individual property. I even disagree with taxation to the point that we should abolish all federal and state taxation.
Instead of government theft of personal property (wealth), the Government should strive to create the conditions that a person does not need to rely on government to live.
While I agree that there is a right to healthcare (Life), the difference is in how we impliment that right. I say, government's healthcare policy and social policy in general, should be to create the circumstances where big brother is unneeded.
And of course, the other trappings of Socialism leaves a sour-taste in people's mouths.
When you really pry and prod the truth out of an American, they distrust the Government. All we got to do is look at the History of Marxism to know its truth, it cares exactly jack about the individual, hell Karl Marx called us the Masses! We are now seeing in Socialized countries, that they are having to ration healthcare, such as in Great Britain. Government decides who lives and who dies.
Also, we got Welfare which has done utterly no good and is nothing more than people living off the hard work of others. We believe or atleast I do, that a person's individual industriousness is not collective property but individual property. I even disagree with taxation to the point that we should abolish all federal and state taxation.
Instead of government theft of personal property (wealth), the Government should strive to create the conditions that a person does not need to rely on government to live.
While I agree that there is a right to healthcare (Life), the difference is in how we impliment that right. I say, government's healthcare policy and social policy in general, should be to create the circumstances where big brother is unneeded.
And of course, the other trappings of Socialism leaves a sour-taste in people's mouths.
...okay then... uh... how do you plan to have the government financed then? Voluntarily?
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