al-Bashir to Liberate South Sudan

[jtb1127]

I think the roots of both the southern and western conflicts go deeper than one dude.There's always a danger with over-focusing on the guy in charge of a despotic regime.

My caricature was plural.

(And I would not characterise the regime as Arab Nationalist when it's more Islamist than anything.)

Darfur is mostly Muslim.

The designations of "Arab" and "African" are also notably difficult in Sudan. In Darfur at least, it's as much a lifestyle (farmer vs pastoralist) divide as an actual ethnic one, and in Sudan as a whole... well, it's an Afro-Arab country where designating people as one or the other doesn't usually really make sense. I think you'd really really struggle to make the case that the Second Sudanese Civil War was primarily about ethnicity rather than being about religious law, oil and more general centre-periphery issues.

I don't really see the point of arguing. Yes, you can't clearly tell a black from an Arab, and the janjaweed might have the same skin color as the people they're killing, but are you seriously claiming that the Darfur conflict wasn't ethnic?

 

[Andvare]

On the way we should restore the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Capital idea! Let us call it Palestine!


Edit: You are trying hard to look like Traitorfish, aren't you? Or is it a holdover from 1st April.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Capital idea! Let us call it Palestine!


Edit: You are trying hard to look like Traitorfish, aren't you? Or is it a holdover from 1st April.

Too be fair, I actually fell for it.

 

[Arwon]

That sort of lifestyle choice helps define ethnicity in some contexts.

...is exactly what I mean in the case of Darfur!

 

[Arwon]

My caricature was plural.


Darfur is mostly Muslim.



I don't really see the point of arguing. Yes, you can't clearly tell a black from an Arab, and the janjaweed might have the same skin color as the people they're killing, but are you seriously claiming that the Darfur conflict wasn't ethnic?

Just gotta check... you know Darfur and South Sudan are different places and different conflicts, right? The second Sudanese Civil War was in the south and had somewhat different dynamics to the Hobbesian land conflict/genocide-by-proxy in Darfur.

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't want in. We've got boots in enough hellholes as is. It wouldn't help much anyhow. Nation building can take 60 years of occupation. Americans certainly don't have the patience to do it right even we did get involved. Plus where would it end?

 

[Dachs]

Capital idea! Let us call it Palestine!


Edit: You are trying hard to look like Traitorfish, aren't you? Or is it a holdover from 1st April.

Holdover. Masada is notoriously lazy; his refusal to change his avatar is probably contingent on the fact that nobody's shoved a new one for him to use in his face.

The whole KoJ thing is a standard Masadaism, not an ostensibly Traitorfishy thing to say.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

I'm in favor of making Africa balkanized into even smaller warring states that we can control easier.

 

[Andvare]

Holdover. Masada is notoriously lazy; his refusal to change his avatar is probably contingent on the fact that nobody's shoved a new one for him to use in his face.

The whole KoJ thing is a standard Masadaism, not an ostensibly Traitorfishy thing to say.

Yesyes, it was, however, the avatar coupled with the purposely misspelling of Scotland as a location that seemed odd.
Oh, and the title is also very close.

 

[Dachs]

Yesyes, it was, however, the avatar coupled with the purposely misspelling of Scotland as a location that seemed odd.

Changing the location and user title was part and parcel of the avatar switch. Most CFCOTers' locations are simply part of a theme based on the purported "location" of whatever is in their avatar at the moment; since my avatar is the Avatar Korra, my location is stated to be "Republic City", Korra's current place of residence. Similarly, the title is either a riff on that theme (mine is "Korra" in Chinese) or idiosyncratic to the CFCOTer in question.

That Masada has not changed his location and user title just means that he has also not changed his avatar. He is likely to do all three at the same time.

 

[CivCube]

Not good news at all. My city has a good-sized Sudanese population. Some have been moving back to South Sudan once they heard about independence. Hope they're okay.

 

[jtb1127]

Just gotta check... you know Darfur and South Sudan are different places and different conflicts, right? The second Sudanese Civil War was in the south and had somewhat different dynamics to the Hobbesian land conflict/genocide-by-proxy in Darfur.

You brought up Darfur first, so I was thinking about asking you the same question .