All Things Star Trek

[Arakhor]

It actually makes sense for the Romulans though, given that everything they do is supposedly clouded in intrigue and mystery.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Yeah, but did we really need an organization that's even deeper and more secretive than the Tal Shiar.

I'm still keeping an open mind, but the hard swearing and the dystopian style of the newer Treks really bothers me. Not to mention, that more often than not, the Federation/Starfleet as a whole is cast in a more nefarious light.
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I didn't really like that the event surrounding the start of the Kelvin timeline (i.e. the destruction of Romulus) has now been "officially" canonized into the prime timeline.

I'm fine with it, mostly because I'm excited that the franchise is finally moving forward again after being stuck in what felt like an endless wave of nostalgia and rehashing of timelines and stories.

It really irks me because the science behind a star suddenly (in galactic terms) going supernova is completely absent. It reeks of Abrams penchant for scientific malfeasance.

 

[Synobun]

It actually makes sense for the Romulans though, given that everything they do is supposedly clouded in intrigue and mystery.

Spoiler episode 2 :

Does it really, though? The Tal Shiar is already established to have layers upon layers, with agendas compartmentalized and kept separate from the mundane. The left hand already didn't know what the right hand was doing. But now with this addition, we learn that neither hand knows what the left and right feet are doing either. It's QWOP for intelligence agencies.

It's especially damning when this entire thing could be a Tal Shiar plot and be fine. Why does it need to be some "Zhat Vash" with a fetish for AI annihilation? Why can't it just be a normal Romulan plot of revenge and weakening the Federation? The infiltration of Starfleet is something the Tal Shiar already aspires to. Weakening the Federation is something the Tal Shiar already aspires to. Revenge against the Federation, even without the supernova, is something the Tal Shiar already aspires to. Why does this need to go one layer deeper?

That's my issue with it, really. Replace Zhat Vash with Tal Shiar and I'd be compelled. I'd go, "Yeah, that makes sense. The Tal Shiar would do something like that, those manipulative dweebs." Instead we're presented Romulan Section 31 and expected to nod our heads at it.

 

[Ajidica]

Spoiler :

Also the zero mention of Lal and Lore seems a bit strange in a world where the daystrom institute desperately wanted to replicate Data. I mean what happened to their parts after they were disassembled? B4 was in a drawer so where's the Lal and Lore drawers haha?

First thought was.. did the writers forget them?.. but that seems unlikely consider they brought Hugh back which means they clearly remember Descent 1 & 2 which Lore was in. The whole Daughter 2.0 storyline suggests the Lal episode is something they know too. Plus Frakes directed that one and he's involved in Picard.

Spoiler :

I haven't watched the show, but it could be that Lore and Lal would have made it harder to tell the story the writers wanted to. Lal was in one episode and Lore was in four(?), Datalore, the one where Data takes over the ship, and Descent 1+2 - none of the episodes he was in were any good. I for one don't have the writers ignoring a one-off character and a poorly written character than only showed up a couple of times.

 

[Blake00]

Spoiler Spoiler :

It's funny. Am involved in a number of Picard forum discussions around the net and I see some people complaining about too much exposition yet I see others complaining about being confused due to not enough info lol. Makes me think they probably should have just done Ep 1 & 2 together as a pilot movie (that would have avoided some of the anger about confusing things in ep1 that were explained in ep 2) then they could have had the big trailer at the end of the 2hrs showing that the adventure kicks off next episode. Instead we got a ep1 that confused people and an exciting trailer at the end of it that implied the adventure was about to begin when in reality the next ep was still farting around on earth lol. So yeah I reckon a combined double ep pilot would have pissed off/confused far less people.

@Synsensa I agree, it should have just been the Tal Shiar, people have always thought they were cool and wanted to learn more. This was the chance. Oh well lol.

@Ajidica just because you didn't like all the Lore & Lal eps doesn't mean they shouldn't be mentioned haha. A recurring character in a episodic show with next to no story continuity is kind of a big deal. I actually happen to quite like some of those episodes, but hey each to their own lol.

 

[r16]

so it might be years or never that it will appear on Turkish TVs and ı won't have the Money for the internet platfoems but gotta still avoid spoilery stuff by checking through the thread . So , do people like Picard ?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I want to see Seven of Nine. If I like her scenes/storyline, I'll continue. If not, the show will be deleted from my PVR.

Apparently they're shooting seasons 2 and 3 concurrently. Given Patrick Stewart's age and physical condition, this makes sense... although I think it was a bit pretentious to assume anyone would want that many seasons even before the first episode premiered.

 

[Arakhor]

If nothing else, it allows the actors to discharge their contracts quickly.

 

[Blake00]

Still enjoying the show but am still unsure as to whether I actually really really like it or not. Still need to see how story pans out lol.

Episode 3 seen:

Spoiler :

Not thrilled about how they continue to make Picard look slow, weak & frail. You watch him on talk shows and he zips around just fine lol! But I love the fact that in ep 3 it appears writers are trying to address one of those funny never explained issues from old trek.

When I was young it always annoyed me how in TNG supposedly a Borg who got his individuality somehow broke a friggin cube and caused a rebellion on it of sorts when assimilating individuals is what the Borg do lol. Voyager & FC ended up adding a lot of info on how the borg worked, how they connect, and made it pretty obvious that assimilating ex borgs (eg 7 of 9, the borg kids, locutus etc) back into the fold wasn't going to break anything lol, in fact they wanted them. Yes Hugh was a Borg test tube baby and not a previous individual unlike those others I mention but it shouldn't really matter HOW they became an individual when you're grabbing someone and pumping nanites into their blood and connecting them to the hive lol.

However it looks like the new trek writers are carving a story where in reality, Hugh went back to the Borg they reassimilated him no probs but then a few hours later on the trip back to delta they found a nice little yummy Romulan intelligence vessel on the way to assimilate, they start 'processing them' and then 'something' goes wrong (Romulan virus? weapon? racial nanite rejection like the Denobulans?). Hugh presumably wakes up and pops out of his alcove again thinking its somehow caused by him (hence why he later tells Picard in Descent that it was his fault), all the other borgs who don't know how to be individuals start goin nuts and they kick off a nice little rebellion which then at some point Lore arrives on the scene and takes control of them and they escape on the light cruiser which we see in Descent (small borg ships inside big borg ships is nothing new). In fact this new obvious Romulan ex-borg fears of Dahj's sister (ie synthetics) could very well be relating to trauma from what Lore did to many of them when he took over things which once again gives me hope Lore will somehow come into this new story at some point. Probably a long shot though haha..

Am I way off.. we shall see haha.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I haven't seen the third episode, but reading that spoiler won't actually spoil it for me because by the time I do watch it (probably during a weekend marathon or something), I'll have forgotten.

This show is on at a really inconvenient time on a really inconvenient night for me.

 

[Synobun]

Third episode was painfully boring, and all info conveyed in it was immediately forgotten the second the "Next time on Picard" crawl came.

They're off Earth now, though, so I guess that's cool.

I don't like the decision to make Romulans look like ordinary humans from the Italian fashion circuit. NuTrek's insistence on changing things that work and making them into things that don't work is an annoyance.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Well the fact that a new episode has only generated 3 posts in 3 or 4 days, as early as episode 3, maybe isn't a great sign.

 

[Arakhor]

I imagine that the only people posting here right now are those who can see ST Picard.

 

[Blake00]

Episode 4 seen.. WE'RE OFF!:

Spoiler :

Well things have finally taken off! Enjoying the fact we're back in space.. loved the look of the Romulan refugee colony (particularly in the flashback sequences) with the giant 'world tree' background. Backstory of the Romulan Samurai dude & his history with Picard was interesting, although Picard now walking around with a Elf looking dude that slices off heads feels a bit weird lol, but no doubt they'll be some big fun action bits with him down the track (which will aggravate oldschool trek purists to no end I'm sure haha).

Enjoyed the space battle, sure enough it was a classic 22nd century Romulan Bird of Prey (nice tip of hat to old Trek), retrofitted for lawless system warlord related activities lol. Interesting to see all these different hologram crew member variants of captain Chris. 7 of 9 has arrived! Will be very interesting to see how much they delve into her past and backstory post Voyager return. Also the holodeck stuff explains why she's in Patrick's 'home' in the trailers. I know people were complaining/making fun of the Picard sword scene in the original trailer, but it was fine, they even made him took kinda tough before he did the expected 'I'm not fighting you/playing your games' thing. Although his comment about having bad knees annoyed me, I don't care if you're 95yrs old, it's 24th century, people aren't gonna have 'bad knees' lol, would rather they just continue to try and hide any difficulties RL Patrick might have, although I still maintain he seems to zip around just fine in real life on talk shows and stuff lol.

Anyway we're already off to another planet in the teaser for the next ep so things are definitely moving along now lol! Although I'm a little worried about all that silly dress up stuff.. I swear to god if the next ep is like the Casino planet sequence in Ryan Johnson's cr*ptastic Star Wars film and black eye patch gangsta Picard is throwing dice with cheesy overly excited cgi aliens I'm gonna throw my Tv lol.

Oh and I'm probably off the mark with the Lore theory previously posted.. sounds like they're going for something bigger.. harbinger of doom stuff lol!

 

[Arakhor]

Bad knees are a fact of ageing, however advanced we'll be, so it seems entirely appropriate that a very old man would have creaky joints, especially as the Federation has long banned genetic resequencing and only breaks out cybernetics for serious injuries.

 

[Synobun]

You've spoiled that Picard has bad knees in the latest episode, Arakhor.

 

[Arakhor]

Hey, it's not on a knees-to-know basis!

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Four episodes in and Picard has really failed to wow me. The story has just been dragging along and honestly hasn't been terribly interesting. The writing hasn't been great either and is fairly convoluted. I've had to replay several of the dialogue heavy scenes just to understand what the heck they're talking about. I often feel like there's about 15 minutes of footage that has been cut out of each episode that would help to explain the plot.

I'm also decidedly against the inclusion of design elements from Abram's Trek. The redesigned "Northern" Romulans, the Warp Jump, the missing star fields while in warp, and the ship and various computer controls to name a few. I also don't like how Raffi calls Picard 'JL'. There's certain people that you just don't give nicknames to because of their stature and austerity, Picard is one of them. And what's up with Romulan Legolas? It's all so laughable, and not in a good way like previous ST series could be.

 

[Blake00]

Bad knees are a fact of ageing, however advanced we'll be, so it seems entirely appropriate that a very old man would have creaky joints, especially as the Federation has long banned genetic resequencing and only breaks out cybernetics for serious injuries.

Don't need genetic resequencing for bad knees lol. We can regrow tissue in labs even now days for heavens sake haha. There's a number of programs trialing knee cartilage regrowth and degeneration halting at the moment. So surely by 24th century we'd be talking about a hypospray to the knee and "oh look my worn out cartilage has grown back" lol. And even if not well considering artificial knee replacements are actually a pretty common procedure now days it just seems silly that someone would be suffering with bad knees hundreds of years from now, but they wouldn't even need anything cybernetic. We're sticking flexible replacement discs in peoples spines, researchers have made amazing progress with 3D printing bones, joints, organs etc these days. They've got friggin replicators in the 24th century lol.

 

[Arakhor]

I'm not sure what the warp smear is for, either. It seems more Star Wars than Star Trek.