Alliance with city states

[Emilqt]

Have anyone figured out how to get an alliance with city states or how it works?

Being suzerain seems to mean a whole different thing. Some bonuses like Tecumseh say "suzerain of city state " while some of Shawnees bonuses mention "for each allied city state".

There is no relationship bar with them and the "Alliance " button always says the relationship" is not high enough".

I have the unique improvement from Shawnee and on of their civic tree bonuses says "culture for each allied city state".(this can be a typo as the website mention suzerain of city states) I have 5 suzerains and still no culture.
So the two things must be different.

 

[ggmoyang]

I think it's just a bug, being suzerain of CS should give bonus to Shawnee UI with relevant unique civic.

 

[Emilqt]

I think it's just a bug, being suzerain of CS should give bonus to Shawnee UI with relevant unique civic.

If that is true, i can assume the "Alliance" button on suzerain city state is just another part of their unfinished ui?

 

[Leyrann]

Allied to and suzerain of are the same thing.

 

[ossi]

I just had the same problem. It seems that "alliance" and ""suzerainity" are two different things... but its unclear ...

 

[Atlas627]

The Alliance button is nonfunctional for the CS. I think it's a holdover from the normal Diplomacy screen with other Leaders.

 

[StargazingDog]

I desperately tried to ally with an independent power. I wanted them to help me in battle. It never worked. Hopefully we get the option to do this soon.

 

[Yzman]

They really need to fix that. I shouldn't have a button I can never use.

 

[reddishrecue]

You gotta be the first one to befriend the independent and it says it'll cost a certain amount of influence. After a few turns pass, the CS becomes your ally. You also get to choose what the city state will specialize in when it becomes your ally such as getting a free civic or a free codex, etc.

 

[Yzman]

You gotta be the first one to befriend the independent and it says it'll cost a certain amount of influence. After a few turns pass, the CS becomes your ally.

No, once you are surezein the button exists to ally but it always says influence isn't high enough. It is a non used button.

 

[reddishrecue]

No, once you are surezein the button exists to ally but it always says influence isn't high enough. It is a non used button.

Ohh I see.. the form alliance button. Yeah that's weird.

 

[Yzman]

What? You only pay influence once and every turn you get progresses towards being the suzerain of the city state until you become the suzerain and then you choose what the suzerain will help you in.

Not sure what you are confused about. Click on a city state you are suzerain of. There will be an option to start an alliance with them, but it will be grayed out, saying the relationship isn't high enough. Which is obviously wrong since you are at the highest relationship possible and are already allied with them. So they can just get rid of the button.

 

[reddishrecue]

Not sure what you are confused about. Click on a city state you are suzerain of. There will be an option to start an alliance with them, but it will be grayed out, saying the relationship isn't high enough. Which is obviously wrong since you are at the highest relationship possible and are already allied with them. So they can just get rid of the button.

I just loaded the game and saw the form alliance button I see what you're talking about, yeah that's odd.

 

[ossi]

Not sure what you are confused about. Click on a city state you are suzerain of. There will be an option to start an alliance with them, but it will be grayed out, saying the relationship isn't high enough. Which is obviously wrong since you are at the highest relationship possible and are already allied with them. So they can just get rid of the button.

Just getting rid is not enough. The Shawnee bonus on their unique improvement requires alliances. So they also need to take this into account.

 

[Atlas627]

Just getting rid is not enough. The Shawnee bonus on their unique improvement requires alliances. So they also need to take this into account.

That's what the Suzerainty is. You are allied to the CS already.

 

[reddishrecue]

That's what the Suzerainty is. You are allied to the CS already.

Thats what I was thinking at first but there's a form alliance button that doesn't work once you're its suzerain that they're concerned about.

 

[Atlas627]

Thats what I was thinking at first but there's a form alliance button that doesn't work once you're its suzerain that they're concerned about.

It's a UI mistake, because that's exactly how the UI looks on the Diplomacy screen with other players. The button doesn't do anything because you already have the Alliance by being Suzerain.

 

[reddishrecue]

It's a UI mistake, because that's exactly how the UI looks on the Diplomacy screen with other players. The button doesn't do anything because you already have the Alliance by being Suzerain.

Makes sense.

 

[huskerbt1]

Suzerainty and alliance are two different things. Suzerainty implies overlordship, alliance is equal per the terms agreed upon.

 

[queenpea]

Suzerainty and alliance are two different things. Suzerainty implies overlordship, alliance is equal per the terms.

I think the point is that within Civ VII, the way to "ally" a city state is to become their sovereign. There is no other method to "ally" city states other than becoming their overlord, as you've put it.