Altered Maps 4: Partitioning Eastern Europe Like In The Good Old Days

[Mad Man]

Because it's on the other side of the ocean I'm guessing Mario and friends.

 

[Kraznaya]

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Your most historically sound map yet.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Amy the Mad

I wish Emperor Miles of China every success in crushing the rebels who dare rise against the Fox of Heaven.

Who rules in the Americas by the way?

Well the way she swings that hammer around, I had no choice but to make a crack at her.

If things progressed anyway near they did in our world, Latin America is likely ruled by echidnas and bats due to the influx of Hispanics. For all we know, maybe the Latin American dream of a fully unified, independent Spanish America(which I'm sure you know some colonial thinkers idealised) has become a reality, including Brazil in this timeline. But of course, it is likely torn in a civil war between two echidna groups, meaning the Brotherhood of Guardians and the Dark Legion(likely renamed to something else, of course).

In our world's Canada and the United States, however, I have no idea how things formed. The British Empire's territories are likely mixed between Germany and France(as they split Britain pretty nicely) and other minor players. One scenario I imagined was Canada would primarily be under German rule, with Quebec and a few other areas being French. Who knows, considering I majorly raped our timeline, furry characters aside.

I might just delve into what the other side of the world looks like some time.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Because it's on the other side of the ocean I'm guessing Mario and friends.

Negative. Mario is the Pope (known as Nintendus XI). I'm not sure about the rest.

Your most historically sound map yet.

I try. =p

 

[warpus]

I'm still trying to figure out how an Asian can be a Hispanic. Is that even possible? America's terribly race conscious, I can't tell people what I am in a word... maybe I should invent one.

Peru had an east asian president a little while ago, I believe.

 

[RedRalph]

Peru had an east asian president a little while ago, I believe.

who is now in jail

 

[warpus]

who is now in jail

Because he's hispanic?

 

[Dachs]

Congrats on 16K posts, warpus!

Does anybody care if I periodically post updates for that 1679 map?

 

[Winner]

A rather large map of religion and oil fields in the Middle East:

Spoiler :

 

[RedRalph]

Congrats on 16K posts, warpus!

Does anybody care if I periodically post updates for that 1679 map?

I do, keep going

 

[warpus]

Congrats on 16K posts, warpus!

HOly %&*@*&% mother of GOd, 16 thousand!?!??

Last post ever.

 

[say1988]

Winner:
Do you know if that is only traditional reserves (underground, liquid) in the chart? Otherwise Canada is completely wrong.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Because he's hispanic?

Because he was a war criminal?

 

[Mad Man]

Does anybody care if I periodically post updates for that 1679 map?

Please do I love maps set in the middle ages, although 1679 isn't really the middle ages but I'll take it any way

 

[Tee Kay]

A little dose of nationalism/lunacy to get this thread back on page one:

The Turkish Empire, expanded to include all Turkic speaking areas and Islamic areas.

From Strangemaps

Spoiler :

Like Russia or the UK, Turkey is the successor state to a once dominant world power. And much as in those other countries, nostalgic memories of Empire (the Ottoman one, in Turkey’s case) compare unfavourably with today’s status as merely a ‘normal’ country.

All former superpowers must deal with a world that is decidedly less impressed by them than before. The resulting frustration is confined (mainly) to the extremist fringes of politics. But in those margins, chauvinist delusions of grandeur conspire to make up for lost glories. Point in case is Russia’s projected ‘Third Empire’ (see entry #177).

This map is another example of geopolitical grandstanding, but from a Turkish perspective. It shows what a global empire based on pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism would look like – a mega-state combining the Ummah (the lands where Islam dominates) with Turan (the name for all countries and regions inhabited by Turkic people). The Empire thus projected results from the maximum overlap of two distinct ideologies of which Turkey is, in the mind of the map-maker at least, the natural point of convergence. The Turkish-Islamic Empire (I can only infer that translation of the map’s title) occupies:

* Turkey in its present form, of course;
* The whole of Cyprus;
* Certain Muslim-majority areas in the Balkans, i.e. Bosnia and Albania
* As well as Eastern European regions where Turks or related nationalities live: in Bulgaria, the Crimea, southern Moldavia (i.e. Gagauzia)
* In Western Europe, areas where Turks or other Muslims are heavily present, i.e. France, Germany and Spain;
* Most of Africa north of the Equator (with notable exception of Liberia, parts of Nigeria, Mali, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia) and some parts to the south of it, namely the coastal areas of Kenia and Tanzania, and an enclave in the DR Congo;
* The whole of the Middle East, excluding Lebanon (partly Christian), but including Iran;
* A large part of the former Soviet Union, including all the central Asian republics (Turkic and Muslim) and large areas of Russia proper (indigenous Turkic peoples, who generally aren’t Muslim);
* Mongolia, East Turkestan (Chinese at present, recently the scene of riots between native Turkic muslims and immigrated Han Chinese);
* Afghanistan, Pakistan, almost all of India, half of Sri Lanka, all of Bangladesh, the whole of Indonesia and Malaysia and even the only partially muslim Philippines.

As a nationalist movement, pan-Turkism’s rise and heyday coincided with similar ideologies in 19th and 20th century Europe, such as Pan-Germanism, Pan-Slavism and even Zionism. Nationalism seems a largely discredited and spent force nowadays. Pan-Islamism is a bit more a la mode, as Islam as a global political force has been in the ascendant in recent decades.

It is, however, not clear that political Islam’s agenda is driven by a vision of the Caliphate, the once and future Empire covering the Ummah, under one ruler uniting absolute spiritual authority with temporal power. But surely it is significant, especially for this vision of a Turko-Islamic Empire, that the last holder of the title of Caliph, however symbolic by that time, was the last Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, deposed by Ataturk’s secularist republic.

Which lends extra poignancy to the vision of Turkey as the lynchpin of this empire, covering all Muslims and all Turks. However, at no point did any sultan even come close to uniting all Turks and Muslims, or even all Turks or Muslims, in one state. So this Turko-Islamic Empire isn’t an object of nostalgia, but a political project. One can see why this would come naturally to hardcore Turkish nationalists, but it’s hard to see what’s in it for those who do not share their ‘overlap’. Why would a Siberian shaman feel any desire to be a citizen of the same state as a West African Muslim? Or vice versa?

 

[Masada]

Papuans are neither Muslim nor Turkic. Riddle me that.

 

[Tee Kay]

Neither are the Tamils, nor most Filipinos north of Mindanao, but there you go.

 

[Mirc]

What's with Kenya/Ethiopia on that map??

 

[Masada]

Neither are the Tamils, nor most Filipinos north of Mindanao, but there you go.

Those are explained the blurb. I'm actually kinda wonder why the authors were so parsimonious with the Balkans and so liberal with Southeast Asia? Geographic ignorance perhaps.

What's with Kenya/Ethiopia on that map??

Even they've heard that Obama is a Muslim.

 

[Winner]

Spoiler :

I. Yingzhou
II. Inka
III. Firanja
IV. Maghrib
V. Sahel
VI. Zanj
VII. Ingoli
VIII. Botswana
IX. Skandistan
X. Iran
XI. Arabia
XII. Greater Japan
XIII. China
XIV. Indian League
XV. Burmese League
XVI. Mindanao
XVII. Aozhou
XVIII. Maori

World in Kim S. Robinson's Years of Rice and Salt, taken from Wikipedia.

Black Death in Europe kill nearly 100% of people, instead of only 30-50%. As a result, Western Civilization is finished and the world is shaped by other civilizations and their religions, philosophies and culture.

Unfortunately, K.S.R. preaches a sort of historical determinism, so this can't be really seen as a proper alternate history novel. Although the West doesn't play any role, the rate of technological advancement remains the same and America once again ends up being a democratic superpower, which is just completely ASB.

Still, it is moderately interesting work as most K.S.R's books are